bobinski
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Post of the day
Never expected to see you sir !!
Isn’t it Tuesday evenings you do you legs
Now all you have to do is find a race that only lasts 20 minutes
Oooh, maybe I should have read this before called @berty bassett 's post as post of the day ....
Could be worth you doing a Zwift run on your Pro @TurboTommy on say the Watopia flat course, or London flat and then doing the same on the Atom to see any differences. Anything that has less maintenance has got to be good for me so if I did replace my Pro it would unlikely to be with the Neo but I could be tempted with the Atom
( goes off looking...)
I spent far too long on Strava last night looking at the course and comparing different segments and mine, Lee’s and bridgy’s timesas well as everyone else’s of course. As a group , that is cyclechat, we are remarkably closely packed, some faster on flats, others in hills but the variance is within limits that suggest we could have a cracking winter of racing -especially when you get you Atom. Though I await the excuses when you do
But would the early splitters be happy with us all coming across with our Pros and kicking butt?!? Isn't that why the splitters split in the first place?I agree mate, well with most of it.... we seem to be at a tipping point now with the majority jumping across. It would be great if everyone made the transition from bkool this winter.
The way to go would be something like the Volcano CCW. Laps only take ~5 minutes. You could do several laps for comparison purposes.Could be worth you doing a Zwift run on your Pro @TurboTommy on say the Watopia flat course, or London flat and then doing the same on the Atom to see any differences. Anything that has less maintenance has got to be good for me so if I did replace my Pro it would unlikely to be with the Neo but I could be tempted with the Atom
Use a TT bike and you eliminate the drafting effect which should make the comparisons easier. Use the /world (or zwiftpreferences) hack to do it on a day where the vast majority of folks are in london or richmond to eliminate effect of wanting to chase other riders...
Of course the thing about BKool is you could see what trainer each rider was on, but with Zwift you can't. You can see if they have a dumb trainer, a smart trainer (which I assume includes the Pro, Neo, Kickr etc?) or a Power meter but not which one so if someone beats you/me/whoever we won't really know which trainer they have used. Unless there is a way to see what they ride... but I couldn't find out howGiven the reliability of the Bkool, it's only a matter of time
Breedon
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- Long Eaton, Nottingham
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Cat c kiss race from last night
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<Tommy>
Illegitimi non carborundum
- Location
- Camden, London
Just too many variables really I think. It's impossible to factor in my form or am I missing the type of test you want to do? That and I'm too lazy to be anyone's guinea pig!
Does anyone even trust the bkool pro to be 100% consistent one day to the next?
I don't think if my bkool pro is proved to be accurate to within 20% (perhaps optimistic...) it means person X can expect the same from his/her bkool pro.
I think anyone using a bkool pro in zwift just has to assume there's an asterix next to their results. Like I said before it's not the end of the world. It's just like measuring by guesstimate rather than by more precise method.
Does anyone even trust the bkool pro to be 100% consistent one day to the next?
I don't think if my bkool pro is proved to be accurate to within 20% (perhaps optimistic...) it means person X can expect the same from his/her bkool pro.
I think anyone using a bkool pro in zwift just has to assume there's an asterix next to their results. Like I said before it's not the end of the world. It's just like measuring by guesstimate rather than by more precise method.
Apparently if we want to set up our own races on Zwift (could be closed and just for chatters, or open to all) then James Hodges at ZwiftPower is the man to advise us. I'm off to bed in a bit but will ping him a note tomorrow to see what we need to do.
bobinski
Legendary Member
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- Tulse Hill
Of course the thing about BKool is you could see what trainer each rider was on, but with Zwift you can't. You can see if they have a dumb trainer, a smart trainer (which I assume includes the Pro, Neo, Kickr etc?) or a Power meter but not which one so if someone beats you/me/whoever we won't really know which trainer they have used. Unless there is a way to see what they ride... but I couldn't find out how
I don’t think it matters to Zwift because it wasn’t set up for racing and all the indications are that it wants to remain more a social platform. Perhaps ZP will step in and ask users to identify their trainer/pms their profile, especially in Cat A/B. Or cyclgent which isn’t the alternative rank based system. Or perhaps race series organisers will require it.the increasing shift to smart trainers ,and PM use in Zwift should makes it easier.
Of course the thing about BKool is you could see what trainer each rider was on, but with Zwift you can't. You can see if they have a dumb trainer, a smart trainer (which I assume includes the Pro, Neo, Kickr etc?) or a Power meter but not which one so if someone beats you/me/whoever we won't really know which trainer they have used. Unless there is a way to see what they ride... but I couldn't find out how
On Bkool, there were so few riders per race, you got know their capabilities. Then every so often someone would perform out of their skin, hell I even won a race! I dont get performance boost with Zwift-actually its the opposite sometimes
On Zwift there are so many competitors that it doesn't really matter if the odd rider is fiddling their weight or using a unfair turbo. They will be caught out by the admins which are very keen. With the numbers, 30-50 per category, it then becomes all about the race directly in front of you. If the cheaters are up the road, doesn't matter, there will be a bunch of others nearby which you can always race with.
I agree with you Andy, but I would go a bit further and say it really doesn't matter to me at all whatever is going on with other riders and whether they are cheating or not, as long as I enjoy the race and get a good workout.On Bkool, there were so few riders per race, you got know their capabilities. Then every so often someone would perform out of their skin, hell I even won a race! I dont get performance boost with Zwift-actually its the opposite sometimes
There's literally nothing at stake except my own fitness. If one of the riders I'm racing against online is doing something to boost their performance and is in reality a much slower rider....so what?! If he gives me a good race within the game, that's fine with me. And if he wants to kid himself that he's a better rider than he is in reality, again good luck to him - I couldn't care less! I'm either never going to meet them anyway, or if I did meet them IRL and they were shown to be way slower than their online racing suggests, that's their problem not mine! Or, as a user of an "unfair trainer", it might be more accurate to say my problem not yours
P.S. That said, big difference between cheating by fiddling your weight for example vs just happening to use a trainer that is inaccurate to the extent it gives an unfair advantage - not really much people can do about the latter!
uclown2002
Guru
- Location
- Harrogate
I doubt Hodges will be able to help. I think ZP merely pull the events from Zwift. I would assume you need to ask for an event with zwift HQ. I've also not known an invitation only event if you want to restrict entry. You could arrange a meet-up on a different course using a hack so you race around Richmond for example amongst yourselves.
