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bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
This is the conclusion I come to as well. Sort of inconclusive as it is, it makes the most sense to me. It's a bit of a double whammy. You know bkool pro gives generous watts but it also seems inconsistent.

One positive by the sounds of it is that people use the pro with a power meter and it gives much more realistic, and probably more importantly consistent readings.
Yeah it would be interesting to see how using a PM on the bkool Pro would affect the speed as the reported power from the bkool itself and the speed don't seem to bear much relation to each other. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the speed you did didn't change much despite the power being accurate when using the PM
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
Whilst that may well have been the cause for you on that occasion Carl, it's not the "only" reason this happens. Happened to me at the start of a race the other day, but I'd been riding in a group ride in Zwift for a good half hour immediately before and everything was fine. I didn't change the difficulty setting or anything in between exiting the group ride and joining the race. It was quickly solved for me by a quick switch off and on again of the plug for the trainer though.

I have experienced similar from time to time in Bsim, but very weirdly it would sometimes happen every time I rode a particular route - in fact I remember one route on a chaingang league some time ago where several of us went up several fitness levels as we all got a boost on that route. Very odd!
Bonkers! On Zwift tonight it felt like I was cycling through treacle so definitely no extra power tonight - which is probably how it should feel to be fair :laugh: Certainly wasn't going to be hitting 1000 watts tonight
 

kipster

Guru
Location
Hampshire
Rode the new roads in zwift, I quite like them, nice easy climbs about 3%-4%, not steep enough to hurt, just steep enough for me to hold good power. The descents still need you to work. Currently in the top 100 (just) for the Strava segment for the full road to ruins, although I expect to drop down rapidly. I wasn't really trying and managed a 1 watt ftp increase :laugh:
 

JLaw

Veteran
And the question for the day. 4 laps watopia hilly in KISS EUR, or checkout the new road.... Undecided right now...
Work made the choice for me. Neither. Arrgh.

Going to try the 3 sisters route + the new road tomorrow. That ought to sum up to >3000ft of climbing; enough to make up for not being able to ride today.
 

LiamW

Active Member
Location
Belfast
I've wacked the Neo resistance up to 100%, what a difference that makes to a standard group spin. I've been kidding myself the last 2 months with it down around 50%. The 3 sisters pack ride last night had me in bits, but it was more realistic than any other time I've down it in the past.
 

MichaelO

Guru
I've wacked the Neo resistance up to 100%, what a difference that makes to a standard group spin. I've been kidding myself the last 2 months with it down around 50%. The 3 sisters pack ride last night had me in bits, but it was more realistic than any other time I've down it in the past.
Doesn't that effectively just change the gearing?
 

LiamW

Active Member
Location
Belfast
What I have found is that I'm not riding up to the radio mast in the big ring. I was in the small ring and the 28 at the back riding at 4/5mph on a 13% incline. That seems normal to me having ridden similar hills over here.
 

kipster

Guru
Location
Hampshire
From what I understand it doesn't make it harder as such, it limits the gear changes as the platform changes the speed in the app and effects smaller resistance changes on the turbo. If you have it at 100% it'll force you to change gear more often, it'll be more realsitic, I mean who really rides up 13% inclines in real life on the big chain ring? I have mine set to 100% so I can feel the burn when I dont change gear up a short inclines :training: It they aren't short enough I have to drop to the smaller chain ring.

It is highly likely i've got this all wrong and should've been left to those who have varied it as they know how it changes things.
 
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CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Having the resistance setting in different position doesn't alter the speed at which you climb hills or motor along the flats, as long as you have a power meter. Having my resistance at 50% allows me to use my 50/34 crank and 11-28 cass to go up the Pretzel. I am usually on the inner ring and either on 26t or 28t on the back. I spin about 80-85rpm and my speed is ~4mph. If I whack the resistance to 100% I would grind up at 50-60rpm and my speed would be ~4mph I prefer to spin so leave it at 50%. There is no advantage altering the setting other than your base comfort cadence.:okay:
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
Doesn't that effectively just change the gearing?
Yes, that's what they say. So a 10% incline becomes a 5% incline but Zwift adjusts the speed on screen accordingly to reflect the power being put out. The advantage of course of reducing the turbo ease to 50% is that you fatigue later. Good for a long spin session, but not so good if training for the mountains :sad:
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
Having the resistance setting in different position doesn't alter the speed at which you climb hills or motor along the flats, as long as you have a power meter. Having my resistance at 50% allows me to use my 50/34 crank and 11-28 cass to go up the Pretzel. I am usually on the inner ring and either on 26t or 28t on the back. I spin about 80-85rpm and my speed is ~4mph. If I whack the resistance to 100% I would grind up at 50-60rpm and my speed would be ~4mph I prefer to spin so leave it at 50%. There is no advantage altering the setting other than your base comfort cadence.:okay:
The only advantage I can see is you fatigue later when spinning at 50% compared to grinding at 100%. Probably means on the longer climbs you do end up with a faster time but not tested it to be sure. Just seems logical as you fatigue less when spinning compared to grinding.
 
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CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Yes, that's what they say. So a 10% incline becomes a 5% incline but Zwift adjusts the speed on screen accordingly to reflect the power being put out. The advantage of course of reducing the turbo ease to 50% is that you fatigue later. Good for a long spin session, but not so good if training for the mountains :sad:

If you're riding at 250W with 50% or 100%, its the method of riding, spin or grind. If you're spinning at 90rpm, more stress is upon the cardio-vascular system, which is where you ideally want it to be. But if you prefer to ride at 70rpm then more leg muscle requirement is employed, at the expense of not stressing the cardio side.
 

LiamW

Active Member
Location
Belfast
The only advantage I can see is you fatigue later when spinning at 50% compared to grinding at 100%. Probably means on the longer climbs you do end up with a faster time but not tested it to be sure. Just seems logical as you fatigue less when spinning compared to grinding.
That makes sense, I had 3 pb's on 3 climbs last night on the PACK sisters ride. Not huge margins though, but I did notice my power output was higher from the tougher setting on the NEO.
There were times before as I have said that my gearing was just to unrealistic on some routes, so I'm happy enough now to grind and suffer with a bit more realism than before. (or maybe not..who knows)
 
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CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
At some point everyone is going to pop, either with lactate in the thighs or screaming lungs and thumping heart rate- there is the endless balancing act of cycling near the limit
 
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