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LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
It's that bad then ^_^
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
The one that the iPad at the store told me to get: http://tempocykler.dk/sadler-64/specialized-power-comp-p379

digitised, digitized I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Did I make a fool of my self yet again :laugh:.

I’m a bit lost on that one too! :scratch:. Maybe I’m being a bit slow... it has been known :huh:.

Lots of pb’s all round today I see from a brief look on strava :thumbsup:. I bet the adrenaline was pumping hard! Well done again guys., hard work paying off all around :smile:

It’s testament to zwift that it can host a race with so many riders it really is. To think when they did the nations cup on BKOOL they were worried a few observers could crash the whole system!
 

Whorty

Gets free watts from the Atom ;)
Location
Wiltshire
I’m a bit lost on that one too! :scratch:. Maybe I’m being a bit slow... it has been known :huh:.

Lots of pb’s all round today I see from a brief look on strava :thumbsup:. I bet the adrenaline was pumping hard! Well done again guys., hard work paying off all around :smile:

It’s testament to zwift that it can host a race with so many riders it really is. To think when they did the nations cup on BKOOL they were worried a few observers could crash the whole system!
TBF @TurboTommy getting PBs when you're in a fast moving group on Zwift is fairly easy. I had loads of PBs; at one point i was cruising on a flat section at 50kph as I was in a draft with 20+ other riders. Couldn't get anywhere near that speed on my own!
 
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CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
I wouldn't say it was easy Carl. Sure the speed can be held longer, but eventually you need the watts to stay there in the pack. I tend to look at the watts for a long segment to see if was drafted. Also the strava header indicates a race. It's true you can gain some impressive speed in a pack, like today I got within 40 secs of Bob then when dropped I lost over 4 mins whilst Bob hung onto his group
 

Whorty

Gets free watts from the Atom ;)
Location
Wiltshire
I wouldn't say it was easy Carl. Sure the speed can be held longer, but eventually you need the watts to stay there in the pack. I tend to look at the watts for a long segment to see if was drafted. Also the strava header indicates a race. It's true you can gain some impressive speed in a pack, like today I got within 40 secs of Bob then when dropped I lost over 4 mins whilst Bob hung onto his group
For me, on the flatter sections, it felt fairly easy to cruise at speeds I would normally need to push hard to reach and couldn't hold for very long. May differ for others, but for me it felt not too hard. I bridged across groups a couple of times and that felt so much harder, losing the draft and pushing on my own. Once back in the pack I could drop 100 watts and still be going the same kind of speed.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
Your both right of course. Whorty you just need to to change the word ‘easy’ for ‘easier’. Drafting is drafting, but if you look at the watts, they say it was pretty gruelling!

I’d kind of assumed a lot of the pb’s you’d beaten were also done in group or race scenarios so it’s still nice improvements whether drafting or not.
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
Watts are watts, well except when they are bkool watts :tongue:

Carl, for me not one bit of yesterday’s s ride was “easy”, whether riding alone or in a large pack, taking my turn at the front, nor when I worked with 2 other riders for best part of a lap and especially not when I tried to bridge to riders in front. You may go faster when with others but you need the watts to be there and stay there in the first place. If you get dropped you then need MORE watts to get back. That may be your extra 100 Watts? And then easier? There is a lot of analysis of the race/individual rides over on the zsun racing page and the average and max watts for those using PM’s or reliable turbos is pretty informative, as are their HR figures.
I still find it surprising that My first lap time yesterday racing in a large pack was slower, despite loads of pb’s in parts of the lap, than a training ride with 3 other zsun riders.
 
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LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
Until last year I did a real life race series where each race was pretty much like the Trade Team Worlds.
We would typically avg. 38-40 kph for the 2 hours of racing.
I managed to get a BePro power pedal reading from one of the races and it registered about 260 watt avg. and 1000 and someting watt peak.

That avg. was because I got too much wind on my nose in that race. I think I read somewhere that in the best spots in a TDF peleton, you only needed just over 200 watts.

Looking at your rides at Strava it looks like Bob was a master drafter, while all others spent too much energy.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
Until last year I did a real life race series where each race was pretty much like the Trade Team Worlds.
We would typically avg. 38-40 kph for the 2 hours of racing.
I managed to get a BePro power pedal reading from one of the races and it registered about 260 watt avg. and 1000 and someting watt peak.

That avg. was because I got too much wind on my nose in that race. I think I read somewhere that in the best spots in a TDF peleton, you only needed just over 200 watts.

Looking at your rides at Strava it looks like Bob was a master drafter, while all others spent too much energy.

It does suggest that to me too. But also Andy is slightly bigger, errrr, I mean more powerfully built, than Bob too :smile:
 
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