The building of my second CCCF (FM 015)

[gb155]

I doubt it.

I would take the dale over a pile of generic chinese carbon anyday.

You would

And last year, so would I , but I've done well over 1000 miles on the cobbled together fm028 and despite a dodgy second hand groupset it's an awesome machine

 

[Rob3rt]

But they are not the same animals by a long shot

The fm028 is relaxed and smooth, the fm015 is aggressive , the "Pina" is porn and feels nothing like the others

I don't race so can't see the point in racing wheels , this way I have a bike for all occasions and never need to use the family car/public transport etc

Id go mental if I couldn't cycle

Could say the same for aggressive racing geometries, dont race so why do you need an aggresive frame? You do realise you would most likely go faster from buying nicer wheels than you would from investing in new frames all the time? Stiffer lighter wheels with a nice rim profile would be a much better investment than cheap chinese carbon frames IMO. Its your money of course so do as you please, just my opinion.

Also if you are putting out average speeds on commutes etc like those you post about, then why dont you consider racing?

 

[Zoiders]

The CAAD frame probably accelerates better when you welly it than the chinese carbon does, steers better and handles better, it's the classic example of an "aggressive" frame, carbon or not. It was "the" frame to have a few years back and it still remains a better choice than most cloned carbon frames.

As rob said, a lighter wheelset and carbon contact points and it would out perform the generic carbon easily.

 

[DrSquirrel]

If you were going to pick from wheels or an "aggressive frame" for someone that doesn't race - wheels would be it :/

Weight on wheels matters more than weight on the frame - rotational weight or whatever it is called (unsprung weight ref cars?)

 

[gb155]

If you were going to pick from wheels or an "aggressive frame" for someone that doesn't race - wheels would be it :/

Weight on wheels matters more than weight on the frame - rotational weight or whatever it is called (unsprung weight ref cars?)

I guess

But this whole bike is built from the Pina refund , so it's N+1 for free and to me that's good, I also get chance to play with a really aggressive frame, If I can be hitting an average over 22mph on the commute than it might be worth trying out a race or 2, as it is my commutes average between 17 & 19 mph average

 

[Rob3rt]

The refund was your own money, given back to you, so its not free.

 

[Zoiders]

I am not quite sure what "agressive" is meant to mean.

Unless you bought a sportive frame with a headtube thats longer and the slightly shorter toptube all the frames you mention are clones of team issue bikes and will be nigh on identical when it comes to frame angles.

 

[gb155]

The refund was your own money, given back to you, so its not free.

You get the point tho

I get to try something that I wouldn't have been able to otherwise

 

[DrSquirrel]

"free" super duper wheels would have done better - not that its free since the pina was paid for anyway

 

[gb155]

"free" super duper wheels would have done better - not that its free since the pina was paid for anyway

But super duper wheels for a commute on shitty roads ??? Is that a good idea ???

 

[DrSquirrel]

Aggressive geometry and carbon frame for a commute on shitty roads?


At least the wheels could be swapped around, or stuck on weekend machines...

 

[gb155]

Aggressive geometry and carbon frame for a commute on shitty roads?


At least the wheels could be swapped around, or stuck on weekend machines...

Super duvet wheels will wear out quicker no ?

I can only get out out weekends once ever 6 weeks or so, so super duper weekend wheels would hardly get used where as the frame can be used daily if needed

 

[DrSquirrel]

Depends how much you brake (rim surface), otherwise they should last just as long - and compared to cheapies, longer.

 

[gb155]

Depends how much you brake (rim surface), otherwise they should last just as long - and compared to cheapies, longer.

Sadly I brake a lot due to a shed load of traffic and the way I ride is to ride fast and hard then brake late at lights ( and there are many many lights )

 

[Zoiders]

Sadly I brake a lot due to a shed load of traffic and the way I ride is to ride fast and hard then brake late at lights ( and there are many many lights )

This ^ while commendable for having good go at the ride in to work is not always a safe idea on the commute.

You have a fixed, why not commute on that and work on looking ahead and planning a bit more on the road, it's safer and the quality of the work out will probably be better as well.