2 Things I would change...

[lukesdad]

As for my other suggestion, the sphere of influence within this forum, as i see it is with cyclists. if you want to influence motorists or insurance companies post on one of their forums. I'd like to put my own house in order first. One way or the other you are preaching to the converted on here.

 

[psmiffy]

Quantified that hole yet?

about £40bn - govt figures for money raised is a bit under £50bn - spending is a little under £10bn

 

[psmiffy]

Did you read the part entitled "Externalities" starting at paragraph 45?

yes - and?

 

[lukesdad]

Of course that £50 billion doesn t seem to include VAT on all services supported motorists, let alone other road users. VAT on new bike sales for instance. Remember my initial point was all road users, even though some would like to turn it into a cyclist vs motorist debate. If your going to bring in extremeties, there is value of employment associated with such services.

 

[TheDoctor]

Didn't even think of it. You do seem determined to have a row with me though...

Not at all, you' d know if i wanted a row i can assure you

Heh-heh
Fairynuff, obviously me misreading it then

The problem with ringfencing things - taxes from road users only being spent on roads - is where do you stop?
I don't have kids - should I be taxed to pay for schools? Does a lifetime of hard drinking entitle me to a replacement liver on demand? After all, the tax on alcohol has paid for the operation...
It's a tricky one.

 

[srw]

Did you read the part entitled "Externalities" starting at paragraph 45?

£70bn to £95bn?!?!? Most of it for congestion????!!!! Cripes.

 

[srw]

extremeties,

You might like to read box 2 of the report being linked to....

 

[lukesdad]

Yes Ive read that, your point ?

 

[lukesdad]

I see a bit of Govt. spin is tolerated when it suits

Unfortunately you ve missed the trick on congestion costs, under the proposal havn t you ? I thought you would have been a bit smarter than that.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Play nicely....

 

[lukesdad]

I didn't post the link

Neither did I funnily enough.

 

[Nigel-YZ1]

If it helps, I didn't either.

 

[lukesdad]

So its not me posting anyone's spin is it.

No you only usually post your own spin

 

[Nigel-YZ1]

 

[psmiffy]

By spin you mean soundly based and well argued points which usually end up sadly wasted?

I admit to posting the link however, I have not seen any points - either soundly based or well argued - in fact I am a bit of a loss really to see what is being "debated"