20 mph speed limit on the way?
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John Ponting
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bonj said:
thanks bonj.
John Ponting
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Cab said:
shall we both agree to start again?
I was going to post, but I really just don't want to get involved so here's my tuppence worth and please don't reply 
I think that one key element to this is a misunderstanding over where such measures are likely to apply - 'urban' is a bit vague really and hence all the commotion. The areas where is would apply are either inner-city residential or city/town centre (encompassing a mixture of uses), where there are few 'major' roads. There seems to be this bizarre assumption that it would cover entire urban regions including all arterial routes when this really isn't the case.
It's no different to the old road user charging debate/online petition - the 'facts' as stated by that petition which read like they had been lifted from a tabloid headline were a complete fallacy (there never have been any 'proposals' from government regarding this issue). In this case, it's '20mph on all urban roads' with the implication/misinterpretation as mentioned above.
The reality, as demonstrated in Portsmouth, is that there is a good old application of common sense resulting in workable, sensible, schemes. Why? Because anything else wouldn't make it past all the councillors we elect.
I think that one key element to this is a misunderstanding over where such measures are likely to apply - 'urban' is a bit vague really and hence all the commotion. The areas where is would apply are either inner-city residential or city/town centre (encompassing a mixture of uses), where there are few 'major' roads. There seems to be this bizarre assumption that it would cover entire urban regions including all arterial routes when this really isn't the case.
It's no different to the old road user charging debate/online petition - the 'facts' as stated by that petition which read like they had been lifted from a tabloid headline were a complete fallacy (there never have been any 'proposals' from government regarding this issue). In this case, it's '20mph on all urban roads' with the implication/misinterpretation as mentioned above.
The reality, as demonstrated in Portsmouth, is that there is a good old application of common sense resulting in workable, sensible, schemes. Why? Because anything else wouldn't make it past all the councillors we elect.
John Ponting
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Cab said:Fair do's. Maybe you were just too subtle for me
*offers virtual pint*
chin chin.
You don't appear to condone it when it involves breaking the law, by definition, even if it still is responsible behaviour. Therefore it appears that whether you condone it or not is a function of whether or not it is against the law, not of whether or not it is taking adequate responsibility.Cab said:
You appear to believe that 'obeying the law' and 'taking responsibility for your actions' are synonymous, that they amount to exactly the same thing. Some other people feel differently. I believe all John was doing was warning / reminding Elmer that the concentration of people who believe the former is higher on this forum than among the general population. Which is true, but make of that what you will.Cab said:
bonj said:
John and I are pretty much okay with this now I think, misunderstanding, way more my fault for not spotting his sarcasm than anything else.
As for believing that taking respinsibility is the same as obeying the law... No. But it is clear that the law defines the parameters in which we make decisions as to what is or is not responsible behaviour. Don't you agree?
Tetedelacourse
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Cab said:
andy_wrx
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I agree : Cab has fallen-out with, insulted or patronised at least you (Tete), me, John Ponting and Elmer in the course of this thread.
Clearly the sort of person it's impossible to have a dialogue with.
Clearly the sort of person it's impossible to have a dialogue with.
just have a snog and make up all of you.
as regards the initial point I think GrahamG's hit the nail on the head. It is another case of people blowing things out of all proportion and getting hysterical over what they've interpreted it as rather than what's actually going to happen.
as regards the initial point I think GrahamG's hit the nail on the head. It is another case of people blowing things out of all proportion and getting hysterical over what they've interpreted it as rather than what's actually going to happen.
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