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A welcome approach by WMP to cycle safety

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by glasgowcyclist, 9 Sep 2016.

  1. benborp

    benborp Veteran

    further from Penge
    The issue is that your eyes will be tracking any object that they are focused on and pretty much everything else in your field of view will be moving, whether it's passing by or even growing in perceived size as you approach. Peripheral vision is very good at perceiving small movements but that advantage of peripheral vision is lost if the whole scene is in motion rather than one small element of it. In such circumstances it's necessary to use the eye's central area with stronger acuity to pick out specific movement. The other advantage to using a vehicle's wheel to discern movement is that the wheel's movement is rotational and therefore different from and more easily perceived than all the other relative motion in your field of view, although again, in most circumstances you will need to use the eye's central vision to identify this rotation quickly.
  2. Are we still talking about cycling? http://www.sirc.org/publik/flirt.html
    "This is very good news for anyone wishing to initiate a flirtation with an attractive stranger. Even from across a crowded room at a party, you can signal your interest in someone merely by making eye contact and attempting to hold your target's gaze for more than one second (not too much more, though, or you will seem threatening). If your target maintains eye contact with you for more than one second, the chances are that he/she might return your interest. If after this initial contact, your target looks away briefly and then looks back to meet your gaze a second time, you can safely assume that he/she is interested. If these eye contacts trigger a smile, you can approach your target with some confidence."

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  3. hatless

    hatless Über Member

    The biggest problem I have with making eye contact is that usually all I can see in a car windscreen is a reflection of the clouds. Not always, obviously, it depends on lighting, angle, etc. but it is often very hard to see into a car from any distance, and your chance of seeing where the driver is looking is slim.
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  4. EnPassant

    EnPassant Remember Remember some date in November Member

    Haha, I only want to know they're not going to run into me, not....actually I'll stop there I think.
  5. palinurus

    palinurus Guru

    "Cyclists don’t cause us, as an organisation, problems, that’s because they aren’t causing our communities problems"
  6. palinurus

    palinurus Guru

    "Bad cycling is an “irritant” to the wider community rather than a danger, and maybe an improvement in infrastructure and policing may alieve (alleviate?) many of the reasons that cause a very small minority of cyclists to be an “irritant""
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  7. RideLikeTheStig

    RideLikeTheStig Über Member

    South Wales
    LMAO! Riding a pushbike to get a driving license.

    I do believe some drivers bought their licenses off Ebay judging by the standard of their driving. Or their examiner was stoned.
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  8. Roxy641

    Roxy641 Well-Known Member

    Well, if they HAD to do that, surely they would at least learn how dangerous it is to pass a cyclist (especially at great speed).

    I haven't driven since the late 1980's and I do remember not seeing a cyclist until they were right up against the left hand side of the
    car. Having been both a car driver and a cyclist does help you understand the other transport users.

    Yes, I do wonder that myself. If ALL car/lorry drivers retook their driving tests, wonder how many would fail? Most are good drivers,
    but it's the bad drivers that we encounter that we are more likely to remember. That can't be good for the reputation of other car
    drivers to have others represent you badly.

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  9. wheresthetorch

    wheresthetorch Dreaming of Celeste

    West Sussex
    Operation Crackdown pretty much always only send a letter - I've made dozens of reports, and that's what seems to happen.

    However, I was recently incensed when a 4x4 driver tried to intimidate me and my 13 year old son when he was out on his Boardman for the second time, getting used to it. I put a really firm report in, saying how far below driving standards it fell, putting child's life at risk, etc, and the report follow up says it's been referred to the Neighbourhood Policing Team, so it looks like they're actually going to visit the driver.
  10. .stu

    .stu Senior Member

    I always try to make eye contact before passing in front of car waiting at a side junction.

    I also find that if I look over my shoulder at cars before they overtake me they tend to do more safely and give me more space.

    I have also noticed that I get more space when I am on my road bike and thus going faster.
  11. Simontm

    Simontm Über Member

    Really interesting. On my part I find just shaking my head works but that may just be down to sheer volumes here in London and SE
  12. Nigel-YZ1

    Nigel-YZ1 Guru

    The point about eye contact has educated me. I've realised that a driver will look then decide if you warrant any consideration in their grand plan. Approaching parked cars on your right is the best example.
    You make eye contact and the driver on the other side looks at you as he pulls straight out head on to you expecting you to levitate out of the way.

    The blog is right to say that looking to the driver for intent means nothing. Preparing for the stupidity and looking for the first sign of movement is a better use of time.

    Or as an advanced and blue light driver of my acquaintance put it - expect everyone to be about to do something stupid.
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  13. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I find that, too. I've suggested it's because they briefly see a face and that humanises me subconsciously to them. Others have suggested it's because motorists think I'm shoulder-checking before moving/turning right. I'm not sure I mind which it is.

    I've noticed the opposite - I look considerably smaller on my road bike, plus there's more scope for them to underestimate my speed and pull back in too soon.

    Yep, that's happened more than once, including White Van Man looking straight at me as he pulled out onto a roundabout and I, uh, tenderly stroked the side of his van. Some motorists look, but fail to see anything except stuff that can kill them (other motorists in vehicles).
  14. Origamist

    Origamist Guru

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  15. Crock of Gold

    Crock of Gold Guest

    Good point. I actually do the opposite, mind. When passing a driver waiting in the Minor Road, as I pass on the Major Road, I give 'The Stare'. As in 'don't even think about moving out' in that polite aggressive way police officers have but expressed visually. I'm happy to be accused of being over-dramatic about this, mind!

    I still do that quick eye contact and shoulder check as well. 'The Stare' is my replacement for the wheel check.
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