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A30 - Do NOT use it!

Discussion in 'Lands End to John O'Groats (LEJOG)' started by Brains, 3 Jul 2013.

  1. Brains

    Brains Guru

    I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the A30 is not suitable for cycling.
    It may be perfectly legal, but in most other northern European countries it would be called a motorway, Autobahn or Autostrada and cycling would never even be contenplated on such a route.

    The story below is tragic, but unless you are some sort of supervised mass race style event, they were in the wrong place.
  2. Its tragic stuff getting discussed in detail over here :sad:
  3. Canrider

    Canrider Guru

    I'd suggest keeping this thread open however, as the advice pertains specifically to planning a LEJoG route.
  4. Beano2

    Beano2 Guest

    Hmm, whilst what happened is very sad I still don't think you can say with conclusive proof that the A30 is a *dangerous* road that should not be cycled on.

    For many doing a fast E2E (7-10 days) myself included it is a necessity to use that road as it is by far the quickest road out of the South West.

    The lanes and other roads are open to you of course but these AFAIK are rolling country where you are constantly on a gradient. Needless to say that country lanes with short/closed lines of sights can be just as dangerous imo as dual carriageways.
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  5. ColinJ

    ColinJ Hillfinder General

    I don't drive but recent trips on Megabus up and down the M6 have suggested to me that the average line of sight on busy UK motorways (no doubt it is equally true for fast dual carriageways) is around 15 ft to the back of the vehicle in front, doing 70+ mph.

    I took this photo from a bridge over the M6 at Corley. You tell me how much time the drivers behind would have to react if the vehicle in front suddenly swerved to avoid something ...

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  6. Beano2

    Beano2 Guest

    Not a lot, which highlights the point that riding on a twisty B road can be just as dangerous imo.
  7. StuartG

    StuartG slower but further

    SE London
    Well I do think you do NEED to justify that remark if you wish to apply it generally. You may wish to factor into your answer;

    * The volume of traffic passing within a few feet of you
    * The destabilising effect of large vehicles passing close
    * The difference in speed at which a collision is likely to occur
    * The difference in injury that this is likely to cause

    Convince me that all the mapwork I do seeking to avoid busy fast duals is counterproductive ...
  8. Beano2

    Beano2 Guest

    I don't need to qualify anything with the above factors when it is just my opinion based on experience, I'm not stating this as fact.

    You have your own opinions based on experience, presumably this is why you are doing a lot or prep with respect to your route.
  9. Regulator

    Regulator Not a SPM snowflake.

    There's no such thing as a dangerous road - only dangerous road users.
  10. StuartG

    StuartG slower but further

    SE London
    This is the problem since I feel safer on a back road than a dual. Whilst feelings and experience is generally useful they can be wrong. If someone can show that statistically then I will change. Context is also important.

    I use the A29 Leatherhead - Dorking dual quite often. This has optional decent cycleways on both sides. I would always use those if alone or in a small group but I have felt quite comfortable doing the main road as part of a large group.
  11. StuartG

    StuartG slower but further

    SE London
    OMG. The most stupid post today?
    Or are you unaware of how the human eye can be so easily deceived?
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  12. lejogger

    lejogger Über Member

    A little harsh.

    I think @Regulator just means that if everyone drove exactly how they should taking into account all considerations and variables and allowing for all possibilities then there wouldn't ever be any accidents.

    But obviously it's a moot point as that isn't and won't ever be the case.
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  13. Regulator

    Regulator Not a SPM snowflake.

    When did a road ever killed anyone?

    The answer is never! Road users kill themselves and other people - not the roads.

    I intensely dislike the bullshit that is peddled about roads being dangerous and that cyclists shouldn't use certain roads. Let's be honest - these deaths, as with many others, are to do with the inconsiderate behaviour of one road user towards another. This is about motorists behaving irresponsibly around more vulnerable road users.

    I want to be able to use any road I need or want to use. I don't want to be restricted to minor roads (which in themselves have issues with motorists driving like twunts). I want motorists to respect my right to use the road and, yes, I am going to demand that they drive safely around me and other more vulnerable road users. I don't want cycling apartheid and I reserve the right to challenge anyone, cyclist or otherwise, whose actions or words are leading down that road.

    And if people like StuartG don't like it - tough!
  14. Crackle

    Crackle Pah

    There are a few minor roads around my locale I don't use because they are twisty, high hedged and contain traffic moving faster than it should. Roads are pretty subjective and not just subjective from person to person but from purpose to purpose. It's a pretty hard subject to discuss objectively. Basically, if you have a right to cycle there you should reasonably expect to be safe. Whether you'd want to cycle on them is a different kind of discussion.
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  15. StuartG

    StuartG slower but further

    SE London
    Well to be more accurate it is the vehicle that kills which may or may not be under the control of the driver who may or may not driving safely within the visible conditions which may or may not be real.

    I am not being pedantic. You are obviously unaware of the great deal of work done to try and eliminate deception. People thinking they are going uphill when they are going downhill when they think their speed is decreasing when its not and so on. A lot of danger can be designed out of roads and is. But a lot is still there. Not to mention road surfaces ... the bottom line is not all KSIs are down to bad drivers behaving badly.

    OMG, the second most stupid post of the day?
    You already know the precise cause?
    And you didn't read my posts did you?
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