Accie's fake Rolex.

[Reynard]

It doesn't have that Quartz sign on the face though. Wouldn't it have it on if it was a quartz? 🤔

Not necessarily. But purely going on the date it's likely to be so anyway. And if it's a full set, the paperwork should tell you.

 

[Accy cyclist]

I saw the below Cartier watch in a local jewelers today. £4,350 with box and papers.

https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Cartier/Tank Basculante/W1011158/63661/item/307871

The same model is for sale below at £585 less, though it doesn't have it's original papers, unlike the one I saw. Are both watches were the asking price and which would be the better buy @Regular.Cyclist, @Reynard, @Drago and anyone else who might know? The local jewelers watch is sold with a 2 year guarantee with the seller saying he'd consider any repairs doing for free after those 2 years. The one online also has a 2 year guarantee though I don't know how much the delivery would cost.
https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Cartier/Tank Basculante/W1011158/63661/item/307871

 

[Reynard]

Cartier are a jeweller, not a watch maker. You're paying for the name and the posh-ness. The movement will be bought in, and likely be a fairly standard ebauche made by ETA, albeit prettied up some.

To be fair, that's a fairly classic tank watch (and a reverso) and that kind of style doesn't go out of fashion. If it's the *style* of watch that you're interested in as opposed to the fact that it's a Cartier, then there's far better options to be had.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Cartier are a jeweller, not a watch maker. You're paying for the name and the posh-ness. The movement will be bought in, and likely be a fairly standard ebauche made by ETA, albeit prettied up some.

To be fair, that's a fairly classic tank watch (and a reverso) and that kind of style doesn't go out of fashion. If it's the *style* of watch that you're interested in as opposed to the fact that it's a Cartier, then there's far better options to be had.

This is similar to what I say to a friend who keeps saying I should buy a pre-owned 'nice high priced watch' as they hold their value. She says I shouldn't keep buying gold and instead buy such as Cartier watches. The gold I buy is mostly at just slightly over current scrap value, so it's quite easy to sell for the same, a bit more or just less than I paid for it, whereas watches aren't so easy to sell if you want what you think they are worth....in my opinion.

 

[Brandane]

This thread AGAIN?
It went off topic on page 5. Three and a half years, and 56 pages later and it's STILL going.
Touch wood, I have had no more dodgy deliveries from catalogue companies. Thanks for asking .
I think I will launch a takeover bid on this thread.
Anyone want to discuss anything useful?

What a pity, there seems to be a time limit on the thread starter (me!) being able to change the thread title. Could have had some fun with that....

 

[Accy cyclist]

This thread AGAIN?
It went off topic on page 5. Three and a half years, and 56 pages later and it's STILL going.
Touch wood, I have had no more dodgy deliveries from catalogue companies. Thanks for asking .
I think I will launch a takeover bid on this thread.
Anyone want to discuss anything useful?

What a pity, there seems to be a time limit on the thread starter (me!) being able to change the thread title. Could have had some fun with that....

ACCY'S NEVER ENDING IS THIS WATCH WORTH IT? QUESTIONS FFS!!!!

Would've been nice! 🧐

 

[Reynard]

This is similar to what I say to a friend who keeps saying I should buy a pre-owned 'nice high priced watch' as they hold their value. She says I shouldn't keep buying gold and instead buy such as Cartier watches. The gold I buy is mostly at just slightly over current scrap value, so it's quite easy to sell for the same, a bit more or just less than I paid for it, whereas watches aren't so easy to sell if you want what you think they are worth....in my opinion.

That's a common misconception - that watches are a good financial investment. Largely they aren't, new ones depreciate faster than a politician u-turning on election promises. Buy used, buy wisely and wear them in good health.

Jewellery is less risky, but at least, as you say, there is the intrinsic value of metal and gems. But prices are high at the moment (e.g. silver is at 82p per gram at the moment, compared to the 50-ish pence of three years ago) and so it's not really a good time to buy.

 

[Accy cyclist]

That's a common misconception - that watches are a good financial investment. Largely they aren't, new ones depreciate faster than a politician u-turning on election promises. Buy used, buy wisely and wear them in good health.

Jewellery is less risky, but at least, as you say, there is the intrinsic value of metal and gems. But prices are high at the moment (e.g. silver is at 82p per gram at the moment, compared to the 50-ish pence of three years ago) and so it's not really a good time to buy.

I never buy silver as I'm not a fan and it's just too low in price to be worth much if wanting to sell a silver item, unless it's a historic item like the football FA Cup . I usually buy 9 karat gold for about £27 to £28 a gram, or 18 karat for about £52 a gram. I bought a nice slim 7 gram, 9 karat white and yellow gold bracelet last week for £198.

A bit of a buyer/seller friend of mine tried to sell me a 34 gram 18 karat gold crucifix and chain the other week for a ridiculous £3000, saying it was brand new and made by a 'top of the range' Italian designer, but that means very little as buyers are only interested in the weight when buying, not the age or where it was made etc. Oh and the crucifix wasn't hallmarked with the seller saying that wasn't important as you can test it for it's 18 karat gold content, but buyers want to see decent hallmarks, not just hearing "It's definitely genuine"! from sellers mouths.

 

[Reynard]

I never buy silver as I'm not a fan and it's just too low in price to be worth much if wanting to sell a silver item. I usually buy 9 karat gold for about £27 to £28 a gram, or 18 karat for about £52 a gram. I bought a nice slim 7 gram, 9 karat white and yellow gold bracelet last week for £198. A bit of a buyer/seller friend of mine tried to sell me a 34 gram 18 karat gold cruxifix and chain the other week for a ridiculous £3000, saying it was brand new and made by a 'top of the range' Italian designer, but that means very little as buyers are only interested in the weight when buying, not the age or where it was made etc.

I do buy silver, as that's what I prefer to wear, it being more discreet. However, unless I spot a buy that's too good to pass up, I do try and look for pieces by the better-known silversmiths. I won't pay more than two and a half times scrap, three at a push.

 

[Accy cyclist]

I do buy silver, as that's what I prefer to wear, it being more discreet. However, unless I spot a buy that's too good to pass up, I do try and look for pieces by the better-known silversmiths. I won't pay more than two and a half times scrap, three at a push.

Two and a half or three times the scrap value for silver is understandable as the scrap value even though inflated is still low, but anyone paying say three times the scrap value of any karat of second hand gold are paying way over the odds and lots of money to pay it, but if it's a new item and they really like it then why not! I bought that new from a jeweler 18 karat bracelet in the above photo about 2 years ago for roughly £1,100 knowing it'd only be worth half of that if I wanted to sell it, but I liked it so I bought it.

 

[Reynard]

Two and a half or three times the scrap value for silver is understandable as the scrap value even though inflated is still low, but anyone paying say three times the scrap value of any karat of second hand gold are paying way over the odds and lots of money to pay it, but if it's a new item and they really like it then why not! I bought that 18 karat bracelet in the above photo about 2 years ago for roughly £1,100 knowing it'd only be worth half of that if I wanted to sell it, but I liked it so I bought it.

Yes, but it depends what the item actually is, not just how much it's worth as scrap. Things go in and out of fashion, and so desirability changes equally. Silver tea services are a case in point. A high Victorian one that's heavily worked with scrolls and flowers will only sell for scrap or little above, as a) the style is deeply unfashionable and b) who uses them these days. Whereas an art deco service, being cleaner and more streamlined in design, will sell for more, based purely on the aesthetic.

If you're buying to use or wear, then yes, I totally get that. Because you can't put a price on enjoyment. If it makes you smile, then why the hell not. And only you can answer as to just how much that smile is actually worth.

As for hallmarks and makers' marks, hell yes if possible. I'm not sure what the threshold for gold is, but silver items under seven grams don't need to be hallmarked according to UK law, but the better makers will do so anyway. On a really good quality and heavy piece, even a chain, every *single* link will be marked.

 

[classic33]

Best watch, value wise, I got was a Jacobs and Co. watch.
One of three watches bought in one lot at auction. Never having heard the name before, it was taken into a local jewellers. They advised getting it valued. Has been valued at just shy of £17,000.

All three watches bought for £18.

 

[Reynard]

Best watch, value wise, I got was a Jacobs and Co. watch.
One of three watches bought in one lot at auction. Never having heard the name before, it was taken into a local jewellers. They advised getting it valued. Has been valued at just shy of £17,000.

All three watches bought for £18.

My best buy wasn't a watch, but an 18ct white gold bracelet set with blue topaz that I picked up in a charity shop for £3.99.

 

[classic33]

My best buy wasn't a watch, but an 18ct white gold bracelet set with blue topaz that I picked up in a charity shop for £3.99.

It was the other two watches I wanted. Nearly threw the Jacob's watch, face was too big, but checked the name. Then took it into the jewellers as the prices didn't seem right.

 

[Reynard]

It was the other two watches I wanted. Nearly threw the Jacob's watch, face was too big, but checked the name. Then took it into the jewellers as the prices didn't seem right.

It's always the way, isn't it?

In my case, they didn't spot the admittedly tiddly Italian hallmarks and 750 stamped on the link next the clasp. It was in a box of costume jewellery items.