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Widnes
I've always thought this show/format is utterly disgusting. Even in a somewhat liberal country, it makes a grotesque mockery of anything to do with relationships, respect, love and marriage. It's such a shame what has happened but hopefully the entire show will be canned as a result

I hope the entire concept of putting a load of people together in an atmosphere of drink and an expectation of them having sex
will be abandoned

I have assumed a lot of people (men and women) have had sex because they felt that "had to" on quite a few programmes of that type for many years

I can;t stand the genre
 

AndyRM

XOXO
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North Shields
Wait until you see Virgin Island.
 
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Widnes
Wait until you see Virgin Island.

I have heard of it

I cannot say that I would be surprised if someone - probably a woman but not certainly - comes up next saying the same had happened there

and you could substitute any similar things there and come up with the same worry

and MAFS is supposed to have the best support of all of them from what I have read
so how bad are the others??
 

presta

Legendary Member
I've just discovered how they manage to dismantle your gas main whilst they work on it without turning off the supply to the whole street:

They dig out your drive until they find the yellow plastic pipe, then squash it flat with a clamp. :laugh:
More info from Gemini:

When the gas supplier turned off the gas in order to replace my stop valve, they used a clamp to squash the yellow plastic pipe flat. A few inches downstream of theis clamp they had a metal box around the pipe connected by a cable to some electronics with a keypad on a trolley. What was this device?

The tool and device configuration you witnessed is a standard, highly regulated procedure used by utility engineers to safely isolate and monitor medium- or low-pressure plastic gas mains.

Because the yellow polyethylene (PE) pipe is flexible, squashing it flat (known as a "squeeze-off") is the standard way to temporarily cut off the gas flow without installing a permanent valve.

The setup you saw consists of two distinct components designed to ensure the squeeze-off is safe and 100% effective:


1. The Metal Box (The Electro-Magnetic Sniffer / Flow Sensor)

The metal box clamped around the pipe downstream is an ultrasonic flow sensor or magnetic-clamp acoustic leak monitor.

  • What it does: When a plastic gas pipe is squeezed flat, the plastic resists the clamp, and tiny, invisible micro-gaps can remain at the "ears" (the folded outer edges of the flattened pipe).

  • How it works: This box clamps snugly around the outside of the pipe to monitor for the slightest vibration, acoustic hiss, or thermal/ultrasonic movement inside the pipe. It checks if any high-pressure gas is still sneaking through the squeezed section.

2. The Trolley with Electronics and Keypad (The Data Logger / Squeeze Monitor)

The box is wired back to a specialized mobile data-logging computer, often referred to in the industry as a Squeeze-Off Monitor or Digital Pressure/Flow Test Instrument.

Safety Protocols: Gas safety regulations require strict data logging. The engineer uses the keypad to enter the specific pipe diameter, the pipe wall thickness standard (SDR rating), and job details.

Real-Time Analysis: The computer processes data from the downstream metal box. It ensures that the gas flow has truly dropped to zero before the engineer is legally allowed to cut open the pipe or replace your stop valve.
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  • Pipe Integrity Protection: Over-squeezing or squeezing a plastic pipe too quickly can crack it. Some advanced electronic trolleys are hooked up to hydraulic squeeze clamps to strictly control the speed and mechanical pressure of the crush, tracking the data to ensure the yellow pipe isn't permanently damaged and will safely spring back to its round shape later.

How come squeezing the pipe that hard doesn't damage it?

The yellow plastic pipe does not break because it is made of Medium-Density Polyethylene (MDPE) or High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE) [1]. This material is engineered specifically to withstand extreme bending and squeezing without losing its strength [1].

Here is exactly how the pipe survives being crushed flat:

1. High Ductility and Plastic Memory
  • Extremely Flexible: MDPE and HDPE possess high ductility [1]. This allows the polymer molecular chains to stretch and bend deeply under pressure rather than cracking [1].

  • Shape Memory: The plastic has "memory" [1]. Once the heavy metal clamp is removed, the pipe naturally wants to return to its original round shape [1].
2. Strict Mechanical Limits
  • Controlled Bars: The squeeze-off clamp has built-in metal stop bars (often called buffer plates) [1].
  • No Over-Crushing: These stop bars are sized exactly to the pipe's wall thickness [1]. They prevent the clamp from crushing the plastic too tightly, which would otherwise pinch, score, or over-strain the material [1].
  • Rounded Edges: The clamp bars are highly rounded. This ensures there are no sharp edges to cut into the yellow plastic.
3. Squeeze Speed Regulation
  • Slow Deflection: The engineers squeeze the pipe very slowly.
  • Stress Relaxation: Squeezing slowly allows the plastic molecules to move and relax into the new shape. If they crushed it instantly, the sudden stress could cause a brittle fracture.
4. Post-Squeeze Re-Rounding
  • Re-Rounding Tool: After the work is complete, the engineers do not just walk away. They use a secondary tool to clamp the pipe in the opposite direction, forcing it back into a perfect cylinder.

  • Reinforcement: In some networks, if a pipe is older, a permanent plastic reinforcement sleeve is wrapped over the squeeze site to guarantee its long-term integrity.



🛠️ Long-Term Integrity

Extensive laboratory testing proves that a proper, regulated squeeze-off leaves zero permanent structural damage. The pipe is rated to last for 50 to 100 years, even after being flattened completely.

Is there a minimum temperature that the pipe can be clamped before the plastic becomes too brittle?

Yes, there is a strict minimum temperature rule. According to UK gas industry standards (such as GIS/PL2-7) and major pipe manufacturers like Radius Systems, the absolute minimum safe temperature for squeezing a yellow polyethylene (PE) gas pipe is 0°C (32°F).

Below 0°C:
  • Stiffness Increases: As temperatures drop toward freezing, the polymer molecules in the yellow plastic lock together. This greatly increases material stiffness, requiring much higher mechanical force to flatten it.
    Radius Systems
  • Brittle Fracture Risk: If a squeeze-off tool clamps down on a frozen pipe, the plastic loses its ability to flex smoothly. Instead of folding cleanly, the outer edges (the "ears" of the fold) can experience brittle cracking, leading to catastrophic pipe failure or gas leaks.
When gas engineers must work in freezing winter conditions, they are legally bound by specific safety protocols before touching the pipe:
  1. The 2-Hour Warming Rule: If the ambient or ground temperature is below 0°C, the section of pipe must be artificially warmed (often using tented heaters) and maintained at or above 0°C for a minimum of 2 hours before clamping can begin.
  2. Slower Squeeze Speed: If the temperature is hovering right above freezing, the tool's closure rate is heavily restricted. For instance, guidelines from the Knoxville Utilities Board (KUB) specify slowing the clamp speed from a standard 0.5 inches per minute down to 0.25 inches per minute in sub-zero environments to allow the cold plastic fibers extra time to relax.
  3. Slow-Release Rules: Taking the clamp off cold plastic must also be done incredibly slowly. Releasing the pressure too fast when the material is cold can cause the rebounding plastic to tear itself apart at the micro-structural level.
While standard plastics like PVC or PP become incredibly fragile at low temperatures, polyethylene has a "glass transition temperature" down near -120°C. This means that while it gets too stiff to squeeze safely below 0°C, a buried PE pipe will remain perfectly durable and will not randomly crack or shatter from normal ground movements even in the deepest winter freeze.
 

lenfield

Well-Known Member
I've just thrown out a collection of electrical plugs that I have accumulated over the years. All new appliances now come with a molded plug on them. At one time you had to fit your own.
 
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Widnes
I've just thrown out a collection of electrical plugs that I have accumulated over the years. All new appliances now come with a molded plug on them. At one time you had to fit your own.

I find I still need the "fit it yourself" type sometimes

once in a while the lead supplied is too short and you have to add an extension and it is neater to cut the old lead and add a proper join ratehr than use a bulky extension lead

problem is that they also use lower quality wires inside the lead!
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
I find I still need the "fit it yourself" type sometimes

once in a while the lead supplied is too short and you have to add an extension and it is neater to cut the old lead and add a proper join ratehr than use a bulky extension lead...
Sometimes, a lead is too long and the spare length is a nuisance. If the extra will never be needed it is better to cut it off.

I fitted a little LED spotlight in my sister's kitchen last week. The kitchen had been replaced when she moved in but the ceiling lighting layout was annoying, casting chef's shadow over the work surface when preparing food. I bought the spotlight to illuminate that area properly from a wooden beam conveniently located just ahead. It was a much simpler and cheaper solution than getting an electrician in to add more ceiling lighting.

My spotlight worked well but I quickly became irritated by the fact that the lead was 50 cm longer than it needed to be to get to the spare mains socket that powers it.

I hunted around a few drawers and found an old mains plug which I fitted after shortening the lead. The installation looks neat now.
 

presta

Legendary Member
I have never seen sub-3A mains plug fuses!
Sub 3A fuses disappeared when sub 3A flex was phased out.

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