Another pathetic dim witted tweeting driver...

[Drago]

How did we get into burkas from Twatter?

 

[Zcapp96]

Duff analogy alert! Playing loud music at 4am prevents people sleeping. Riding two abreast does not deprive drivers of anything. Except their sense of superiority. Which, of course, is the real reason they don't like it. We should all do it far more often.

At which point they will all look at us in just the same way as the music playing chav and attitudes will not change and the stream of anti cyclist rants will continue ad nauseam.

 

[w00hoo_kent]

Six out of thirty million isn't "the vast majority".

Out of interest, did you expect a number that would be, or were you just trolling?

Very good.... first one to statistically define 'vast' gets this coconut... [it's not a real coconut]

The important question is, how big is the virtual coconut?

 

[theclaud]

At which point they will all look at us in just the same way as the music playing chav and attitudes will not change and the stream of anti cyclist rants will continue ad nauseam.

The analogy doesn't get better by milking it. You need to stop caving in to bullies, and challenge them instead. Drivers like cyclists to single out because it looks accommodating - it's an acknowledgement that you are "in their way". Maintain your position against the expectation and you challenge that assumption, and change the power relationship that is disadvantaging you.

 

[Archie_tect]

Out of interest, did you expect a number that would be, or were you just trolling?



The important question is, how big is the virtual coconut?

Vast.

 

[Zcapp96]

The analogy doesn't get better by milking it. You need to stop caving in to bullies, and challenge them instead. Drivers like cyclists to single out because it looks accommodating - it's an acknowledgement that you are "in their way". Maintain your position against the expectation and you challenge that assumption, and change the power relationship that is disadvantaging you.

The is nothing wrong with the analogy, there is no legal entitlement to sleep and it is not against the law to wake someone up. We have decided as a society that being noisy at night is inconsiderate to others so if you are noisy at 4am you are going against societies view on this. Not everyone will have a sleep pattern that conforms to the rest of society either through work or social life. These people are in the minority so have to conform to the rest of society. They may need sleep at 3 in the afternoon but their neighbors may be playing music. Unfortunately for them this is not considered anti social as society considers this as 'awake time'. I was not saying anything at all about the virtues or otherwise of riding two abreast. All I was saying is that if society decides that riding two abreast is anti social that unfortunately it is because that is the definition of anti social!. I would love that attitude to change but we are not going to do that by antagonizing other road users, they need to be educated and a much heavier emphasis needs to be placed on cycle safety within the theory exam.

 

[400bhp]

The is nothing wrong with the analogy, there is no legal entitlement to sleep and it is not against the law to wake someone up. We have decided as a society that being noisy at night is inconsiderate to others so if you are noisy at 4am you are going against societies view on this. Not everyone will have a sleep pattern that conforms to the rest of society either through work or social life. These people are in the minority so have to conform to the rest of society. They may need sleep at 3 in the afternoon but their neighbors may be playing music. Unfortunately for them this is not considered anti social as society considers this as 'awake time'. I was not saying anything at all about the virtues or otherwise of riding two abreast. All I was saying is that if society decides that riding two abreast is anti social that unfortunately it is because that is the definition of anti social!. I would love that attitude to change but we are not going to do that by antagonizing other road users, they need to be educated and a much heavier emphasis needs to be placed on cycle safety within the theory exam.

Cycling 2 abreast isn't Anti Social though is it? You can't be fined or receive an ASBO for it can you? Capital A and S is important here.

It might be an annoyance to others (similar to, say talking on a phone on a train).

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Sight lines is the only reason really. It can be harder to see a safe overtaking opportunity passing cyclists riding 2 abreast.

Harder than seeing a safe overtaking opportunity when there's a car in front?

 

[Drago]

I guess the bottom line is that some drivers are peanuts.

 

[Zcapp96]

Cycling 2 abreast isn't Anti Social though is it? You can't be fined or receive an ASBO for it can you? Capital A and S is important here.

It might be an annoyance to others (similar to, say talking on a phone on a train).

Actually there is no list of offences that can be issued an ASBO, it is up to the courts to decide if your behaviour warrents one, which is scary in itself! And if you look at what some have been issued for in the past you can see that cyclist can be in real danger, littering, swearing, rudeness, spitting etc!

I think people have missed what I was trying to say, my point was that we as the minority group participating in the riding two abreast cannot decide if it is or not anti social, rather it is society as a whole that decides that and so we need to educate people rather than wind them up by stubbornly keeping in the primary position when there is no need to and other such things as all that does is antagonist and leads to the sorts of incident we see on you tube!

 

[KneesUp]

The difference is that very few people try to blow up airports. There have been drivers convicted of deliberately ramming cyclists, so her threat is far more credible than the blowing-up-the-airport threat.

To make a claim about credibility you'd have to know more about the individual. For example people kill other people more often than I care to think about, but nonetheless when my wife says 'If you leave a wet towel on the bed again I will kill you' I don't for one moment think she will actually murder me in the same way that I might imagine a religious zealot might if I told them I thought they had an imaginary friend.

 

[KneesUp]

I guess the bottom line is that some drivers people are peanuts, and some of them drive.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Drago]

You might want to look up CRASBO, which is an ASBO issued to an offender by a court upon conviction fora criminal offence. It's does NOT require a portfolio of evidence of anti social behaviour to be put to the court.

This is distinct from an ASBO which is a civil order - albeit its a criminal offence to breach it - issued by a court based upon evidence of anti social behaviour.

Once issued, both are exactly the same in terms of enforcement.

 

[400bhp]

Harder than seeing a safe overtaking opportunity when there's a car in front?

No, but harder if there's 2 cyclists in single file.

 

[classic33]

I passed a steam crane and a horse and cart on my ride yesterday. You never know what you are going to come across on the roads.

Got passed by a Class 08 and five coaches, coming home from work. All on low loaders, from a local haulage company.