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jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Use radio antenna on the outside of the vehicle to pick up phone signal, bluetooth connection inside the car.

Should allow for hands free usage, while stopping people texting and facebooking while driving.

Problem solved.
Eh..so remove the danger by removing phone signal, then solve the problem that this creates by, we...providing phone signal.

Or am I missing the irony?
 
But 65% of traffic volume was on motorways. You can't compare the two if 2/3 of the distance traveled by one group is on a motorway where pedestrian collisions are impossible.

There were 79 pedestrians killed or seriously injured (KSI) by bikes in urban areas in 2012, so that’s one KSI per 75 million miles walked.

By contrast, there were 4,679 pedestrian KSIs involving motor vehicles - one KSI per 1.25 million miles walked.

That means for every mile you walk, you are 60 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a driver than a cyclist.

http://road.cc/content/news/109269-are-drivers-and-cyclists-just-dangerous-pedestrians
 

HOU5EY

Active Member
Seems to me like a lot of cyclists on here consider themselves to be responsible riders and that's great, keep it up and keep being cautious, even when you are flat out down hill to get up the next one. Point is this guy wasn't thinking about what he was doing. I have a young kid and they don't see the dangers. This was an accident and extemely unfortunate. It wasn't the first and it wont be the last but it seems a lot of people that saw this will think about riding more carefully
 
Excellent article. Many have ridden on pavements and they do it carefully.


http://cyclinguphill.com/laws-cycling-pavements/

Laws about cycling on pavements
by Tejvan on January 28, 2015 in advocacy

Many people ask, but it is illegal to cycle on the pavement, unless there is a sign indicating a shared use cycle path. Cycling on footways (a pavement by side of a carriageway) is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888.(Highway Code)

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Cycling on the pavement


Penalties for Cycling on Pavement
This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of £30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

Can Children Cycle on Pavements?
Officially, no. The law on pavement use applies to all on bicycles, irrespective of age. However, children under 16 would not get prosecuted.

Enforcement of Law
Cycling on pavements is often a significant local issue. In response the government passed law enabling fixed ticket penalties to be issues. The then home minister, Paul Boateng issued a letter about the aims of enforcement:

“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.” [1. bike hub]

Similar advice has been giving to police and community support officers that tickets should be given with a considerable degree of discretion, bearing in mind there is a large practical difference between a young children cycling slowly along a road to avoid a dangerous crossing, and an older person riding aggressively on pavement putting people at risk.

Cycling on Footpaths
Fixed penalty notices for cycling on pavements is intended for pavements by the side of a highway. For footpaths away from roads, e.g. in parks, it is less clear an offence is being made, unless the path is clearly marked as non-cycling.

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Personal view about cycling on pavements
As a cyclist I want to cycle on the roads not pavements. It’s that simple. (Even though roads are quite dangerous, and at times you feel like putting your life on the line). Unfortunately, people on bikes (I won’t call them proper cyclists) do sometimes ride aggressively on pavements, which can be quite off putting to other pedestrians. It can also lead to accidents.

But, I’m not a ‘pavement fundamentalist’. Occasionally, I can empathise with people who ride on pavements.

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  • If necessary to get from one road to another.
  • To miss dangerous junctions where a cyclist would be forced to take a risky crossing.
  • When I see very young kids learning to cycle on the pavement I can understand why they are avoiding roads. However, I feel a better solution is to make roads safer, rather than avoid roads. A 20 mph speed limit in urban areas should help make roads safer.
  • If people cycle at walking speed and are ready to give way to any pedestrian.
Legal Enforcement

People will see it is illegal and therefore should never be done. They have a point. But, how many cars stick to legal speed limit? There is a big difference between a young kid cycling slowly on pavement and someone riding aggressively expecting people to jump out of the way. The advice of the home Minister to enforce cycling on pavements with discretion is good common sense advice.

I do see some people cycling on the pavement, with disregard for other road users, and I would like them to get a ticket.

Pavements / Cycle Paths
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I am usually suspicious of cycle paths made out of narrow pavements. They satisfy neither pedestrians who have to share a small pavement with cyclists. Cyclists are left with the worst of both worlds. They have to be very cautious on the ‘cycle path’ because of pedestrians. But, if they don’t use these useless ‘cycle paths’ they get criticised by motorists for being on the road. They are kind of left with a no win situation. It is this kind of cycle path that is often worse than nothing.

  • Unless it is path on a pavement designed to avoid an awkward junction.
  • See: shared use paths
Dangers of cycling on pavement
I regularly reverse my car out of the drive. I also frequently see kids (often teenagers) cycle bikes very fast on the pavement. This is actually very dangerous. Many motorists are not expecting cyclists on the pavement, they expect people to moving at walking pace. By cycling on pavements, cyclists put themselves at greater danger from collisions. and crossing junctions.

Cycling on a pavement is several times more dangerous than on a road. (William Moritz, 1998) Another study says it’s twice as dangerous. (Bicycling Life, 1985-89)

Dangers to pedestrians

If a cyclist cycles furiously on the pavement, I can understand why pedestrians get annoyed. If they went at walking pace and were willing to give way to pedestrians then it wouldn’t be such a nuisance. Cyclists can cause injury and even death in rare cases.

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Many cyclists use the pavement at this junction because there is quite a long wait at the lights. However, it can’t be justified on the grounds of being safer. Here using the pavement does not help cyclists.

Legalising cycling on pavements
Should it be legal to cycle on pavements? Probably not. Though, where appropriate pavements can be made shared use cycle paths. To help cyclists avoid dangers road junctions. But, perhaps designed in a way to discourage high speed – just get from place to place.

Many people on bikes will abuse the law and cycle faster than is prudent.

Cyclists need to fight for the right to use roads in a safe way, not be moved onto walkways and inferior cycle paths.

On the other hand, there are times when the common sense thing is to use the pavement, so the law should make allowances. A cyclist travelling slowly, short distances on pavements and who gives way to pedestrians is not causing any real problems.

Should cyclists be fined for cycling on pavements?
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Cycling on the pavement, could in theory leave you with a fixed penalty charge of £30. If the police did this in Oxford, they could make a nice profit.

If the cyclist is riding fast and if there is no real necessity for cycling on the pavement, Fining is a good thing.

I wouldn’t mind seeing cyclists fined for this kind of action. (Although I would love to see motorists similarly fined for much more dangerous driving manoeuvres they usually get away with.)

Although cycling on pavements is a real nuisance, it’s not actually the worst offence on our roads (as the Daily Tabloids may have us believe) It’s certainly not the cause of the 2,300 road deaths every year (though isolated serious accidents can occur with bikes involved in collisions with pedestrians)

I would love to see people on bikes be more considerate and not give ‘cyclists’ a bad name. Though have you noticed when people drive a car inconsiderately, we don’t label all ‘motorists’ as bad. But, when a person on a bike rides inconsiderately all ‘cyclists’ tend to be tarred with the same brush.

But, I would also love our roads to be made safer, so that people can cycle on the road without risk of being run over by careless and negligent driving.

I would also like to see better road planning, so more proper cycle lanes are provided which provide safe routes for people to cycle into town.
 

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Hitchington

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That London
"'I thought she was dead. There was blood coming from everywhere. She was hysterical, screaming at the top of her lungs"

I'm no expert, but dead kids don't usually scream...do they?
 
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PK99

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"'I thought she was dead. There was blood coming from everywhere. She was hysterical, screaming at the top of her lungs"

I'm no expert, but dead kids don't usually scream...do they?

no, you are a complete farkwit making stupid fatuous comments
 

anothersam

SMIDSMe
Location
Far East Sussex
The point is [kids] shouldn't have to think of the dangers when they're on the pavement because there shouldn't be any dangers on the pavement.
There shouldn't be, but unfortunately once in a while there are, so ultimately I think the point is to learn from the bees, as @HOU5EY suggests.

Actually, I think
it seems a lot of people that saw this will think about riding more carefully
might be the best lesson from this. Pavement cyclists will want to be careful so as not to follow Andrew onto the stage of public condemnation; fewer Lucies will be run over. Win-win. Unfortunately the loss column includes one less cyclist, at least for now. According to the Mirror,
Lucie is "now very nervous of bikes, and we've had to tell her daddy has got rid of the bike to make her feel better.

Andrew, barely out of kidhood himself (though of sufficiently advanced years to have acquired better hazard perception, the hazard in this case being toddlers who can be excused for their lack of same), did something reckless, and he's paying for it. I shudder to think about the headlines that would've been made by all the stunts my contemporaries pulled if the national press had taken note way back when; enough skin left on the ground over the years to make even Ed Gein wince…
 
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PK99

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The mum said:
'I thought she was dead. There was blood coming from everywhere. She was hysterical, screaming at the top of her lungs"

Which you could have interpreted as: "I thought my child was dying before my eyes..."

Instead, you chose to make a snide joke

"I'm no expert, but dead kids don't usually scream...do they?"

As I said, stupid and fatuous
 

.stu

Über Member
Location
Worcester
I have two young kids - actually one of them isn't walking yet, so that's not really relevant, but anyway. The point is they shouldn't have to think of the dangers when they're on the pavement because there shouldn't be any dangers on the pavement.

They shouldn't have to be aware of dangers on the pavement, but you, the adult responsible for them, should, especially given that a lot of pavements are right next to roads. It is not unheard of for drivers to lose control of their cars and mount the pavement, so don't be lulled into a false sense of security just because it is supposed to be for pedestrians only.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
They shouldn't have to be aware of dangers on the pavement, but you, the adult responsible for them, should, especially given that a lot of pavements are right next to roads. It is not unheard of for drivers to lose control of their cars and mount the pavement, so don't be lulled into a false sense of security just because it is supposed to be for pedestrians only.

that's right - keep the kids locked up indoors.
 
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