anyone know this cyclist?

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by PK99, 21 May 2015.

  1. anothersam

    anothersam SMIDSMe

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    Far East Sussex
    In a national publication, then worldwide coverage. Proportionality?
     
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  2. Lemond

    Lemond Senior Member

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    Sunny Suffolk
    [QUOTE="Hitchington, post: 3720151, member: 23944 the Daily Mail has history and a massive anti-cycling agenda.[/QUOTE]

    Seriously? That's a tad melodramatic, isn't it?
     
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  3. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    No it wasn't.......

    ... and there are pedestrians on motorways


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    These two show the dangers faced by workers (also pedestrian) on motorways



     
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  4. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    ... and how much of that pedestrian activity was in areas where vehicles are not allowed...... these also need to be excluded surely?

    After all the distance travelled by this group is in parks, footpaths and pedestrian areas where pedestrian / vehicle collisions are impossible.

    Why are you not correcting for this factor?
     
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  5. Thomk

    Thomk Veteran

    Location:
    Warwickshire
    This disagreement about "accident" and "blame" is the tip of a philosophical debate which has been going on for decades (at least). A couple of quick points worth touching on:
    1. Blame does not have to add up to 100% - it depends on the perspective of the "blamer". E.g. from our perspective as cyclists on a cycle forum it may be appropriate for us to apportion all of the blame to the cyclist as he apparently did something stupid, illegal and reckless and we can adjust our own behavior accordingly to everyone's future benefit. But, if I were the parent of the toddler and I had discussed with her nanny the danger of allowing my daughter onto the path unsupervised because of reckless idiots on bikes and she allowed the situation to unfold as it did I might apportion some blame to the nanny, some to the cyclist and some to myself (for employing a careless nanny). I might even shuffle some of the "blame" in the direction of my daughter if I had warned her of the dangers, harsh though it sounds, if I thought that she was at the stage where it was appropriate for her to start taking some responsibility for her actions. This apportioning of "blame" (it is a bad word really) does not have to add up to 100%. From the perspective of the toddler she might blame her mother mostly, figuring that the world is full of dangers and it is her responsibility to protect her from them. Others might blame the designers of the shared cycle path. Chomsky might blame American right wing Republicans (he would find some sort of credible sounding argument).
    2. You can define an accident as being an unknown unknown, an unknown or a known..... etc. In this instance it could be argued that the cyclist was on shakier moral ground (given that he should have been aware of the risks but didn't seem to give a damn as though toddlers running on pavements were nothing more than insects) than someone who went out deliberately to run someone over (who would have at least acknowledged the humanity of his/her victim). This is not my stance but is a respectable position in philosophy circles.

      Anyway, in short, there is some truth in what most people are posting on here but as usual the views have become entrenched and seemingly polar opposite.
     
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  6. glenn forger

    glenn forger Guest

    Seriously? That's a tad melodramatic, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    They have a long history of printing lies to demonise cyclists. Wyatt is a good example, the paper eventually printed a correction after Wyatt claimed her mum had been attacked twice by cyclists. The Mail also labeled a cyclist as a hit and runner when no running whatsoever took place. They've done that twice. Simon Hoggart also claimed to have been attacked by a rider but offered zero evidence (he claimed the rider was doing thirty mph). It was the Mail that described a rider killed by a driver on the wrong side of the road as a "novice cyclist" when she was nothing of the kind. It was the Mail that allows comments that describe riders as "vermin" and "parasites" and threaten to deliberately run over cyclists. It was Simon Heffer in the Mail who called for cyclist registration, it was the Mail that chucks a few terrorism terms at those who ride their bikes to work, saying among them are ‘extremists’, ‘hard-line militants’ and ‘fundamentalists’.
     
  7. ufkacbln

    ufkacbln Guest

    The Police and Emergency services now refer to "Incidents" or Collisions"


    If there is a contributory factor then it is not an accident
     
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  8. shouldbeinbed

    shouldbeinbed Rollin' along

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    Manchester way
    Accident waiting to happen is in the same colloquial category as talking about road tax though. Its not a formal nor even a correct assertion simply common parlance from a population that doesn't know better.

    Official definitions, terminology & used by law enforcement and judiciary have ceased to use accident for @Cunobelin's reasoning.

    Here it is absolutely within the bounds of reason to think that houses on clearly residential streets at school chucking out time with 2 schools in very close proximity to that road (google maps it) where a young woman is attending to a car might well have small children somewhere in the vicinity and one should moderate ones speed and hazard awareness accordingly. Notwithstanding that the cyclist speed and hazard awareness for being on a residential pavement would appear to be well out of reasonable boundaries at any time

    *EDIT cross post with above*
     
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  9. shouldbeinbed

    shouldbeinbed Rollin' along

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    The 21st century incarnation of Godwins Law.
     
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  10. Tin Pot

    Tin Pot Guru

    There are two approaches to take when something untoward has happened;

    1. Find someone to blame
    2. Figure out how to reduce the probability and impact of it happening again

    I have never found approach one to be useful.
     
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  11. glenn forger

    glenn forger Guest

    So, you would describe a drunk-driving collision as an "accident"?
     
  12. Lemond

    Lemond Senior Member

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    They have a long history of printing lies to demonise cyclists. Wyatt is a good example, the paper eventually printed a correction after Wyatt claimed her mum had been attacked twice by cyclists. The Mail also labeled a cyclist as a hit and runner when no running whatsoever took place. They've done that twice. Simon Hoggart also claimed to have been attacked by a rider but offered zero evidence (he claimed the rider was doing thirty mph). It was the Mail that described a rider killed by a driver on the wrong side of the road as a "novice cyclist" when she was nothing of the kind. It was the Mail that allows comments that describe riders as "vermin" and "parasites" and threaten to deliberately run over cyclists. It was Simon Heffer in the Mail who called for cyclist registration, it was the Mail that chucks a few terrorism terms at those who ride their bikes to work, saying among them are ‘extremists’, ‘hard-line militants’ and ‘fundamentalists’.[/QUOTE]

    More hysterical nonsense. Why am I not surprised.
     
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  13. glenn forger

    glenn forger Guest

    It was of course the Mail that published the James Martin piece about the hilarity to be had by aiming your car at riders to force them off the road:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2009/sep/15/james-martin-cyclists
     
  14. Hitchington

    Hitchington Lovely stuff

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    That London
  15. Pale Rider

    Pale Rider Guru

    Spotted dick in his case.
     
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