Are bikes vehicles?

[Lizban]

Bit of a silly thread be please don’t take too seriously!

I've seen on other threads about it being not possible to prosecute cyclists for speeding or other offences as they are not vehicles.

Therefore using this logic if I am cycling through this junction and have right of way a car coming the other way doesn’t have to give way as I am not a vehicle?





If the attachment hasn't worked the sign says give way to oncoming vehicles with one small arrow and one large arrow pointing the other way

 

[ComedyPilot]

The law on a vehicle is that it is classified as one if it falls under the banner GOPEDS. i.e. is it powered by Gas, Oil, Petrol, Electric, Diesel or Steam.

 

[Lizban]

Thanks CP so is this sign (pedantically) wrong?

 

[ComedyPilot]

Thanks CP so is this sign (pedantically) wrong?

Can't see the sign you mean - it's not there???

 

[marinyork]

You might want to consider the statement all men are greeks and take it from there.

 

[ComedyPilot]

You might want to consider the statement all men are greeks and take it from there.

The plural of 'Greek' is 'Greek', n'est pa?

 

[Lizban]

http://images.google.co.uk/images?g...y+to+oncoming+vehicles&spell=1&start=0http://

Can't see the sign you mean - it's not there???

Can't get it to work - see description in the first post. Or link above hopefully will work (it's the first sign)

 

[marinyork]

http://images.google.co.uk/images?g...y+to+oncoming+vehicles&spell=1&start=0http://


Can't get it to work - see description in the first post. Or link above hopefully will work (it's the first sign)

Yes, I'm assuming the motorist has poor line discipline and doesn't take any notice of the double dotted whites that normally accompany these traffic signs .

 

[ComedyPilot]

I see your point (it maybe should be give way/priority to oncoming traffic). You are a road user though, and just because you don't belch out noxious fumes, doesn't mean you don't have a right of way. I presume the sign is at a pinch point of some kind? A good primary position will show your intention early. If the other driver doesn't give way I would say that is driving without due care and attention. If it happens make sure you have an escape route (which a good primary position will give you). If it happens a lot get video evidence and go to see a traffic bobby. I wouldn't bother local bobbies, they have their hands full sorting out 14 year old girl's on-off relationship problems with their family/boyfriends/friends/school mates*

*Delete as applicable

 

[thomas]

http://images.google.co.uk/images?g...y+to+oncoming+vehicles&spell=1&start=0http://


Can't get it to work - see description in the first post. Or link above hopefully will work (it's the first sign)

Whatever case could be argued, I would wait until the road is safe to go. Usually when there are those signs the paint on the ground would be the same as at a give way junction, so however the sign is worded shouldn't realyl matter.

 

[Velorum]

I believe that under the 1835 Highways Act (S72) a bicycle is classified as a 'carriage' which to all intents and purposes means that it is considered a vehicle.

 

[Lizban]

I believe that under the 1835 Highways Act (S72) a bicycle is classified as a 'carriage' which to all intents and purposes means that it is considered a vehicle.

So to complete (the silly let's be clear) point if this is the case then cyclists can be done for speeding?!?

 

[cygnet]

I think that the speed laws generally refer to motor vehicles, not to all vehicles. Someone will no doubt know the correct references.

 

[benborp]

No, because the specific legislation applies to motorised vehicles.

 

[Velorum]

So to complete (the silly let's be clear) point if this is the case then cyclists can be done for speeding?!?

I dont think that you can be prosecuted for speeding.

A number of people believe that you can be prosecuted for the offence of 'furious cycling' under a 19th century law instead but this is believed by others to be an urban myth which sounds about right to me.

IMO you are highly unlikely to have problems with the police relating to speed - on the road anyway...........