Are we being forced to go electric?

[vickster]

I can't see him and his mates giving up their fart boxes. PS It's still broken.

And that's where the issue will lie...cyclists are probably more open to non-car based transport...the majority of non cyclists who have cars or access to cars are less open

 

[gzoom]

Tesla is about to put the price of their 'Full Self Driving' Software in the US up to $12K - Bare in mind the Model 3 originally was targeting $35K base price. There is also the suggestion that the 'final' price will go even higher......So either Musk has totally lost it (which is always possible) or they are more confident of achieving autonomy than before!


View: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1479590995595517958?s=20

If this was anyone else I would say they are nuts, but than again this is the same person who proved Thunderbirds was already a reality in 2021!!

 

[oldwheels]

The comments I have seen all seem to be city based. Rural transport is a different ball game and I could not manage without personal transport. In any case public transport is no use to me as I cannot walk more than a few hundred yards.
I live in an area with a lot of steep hills so cycling is not really viable. With no motorised transport I might as well be dead.

 

[CXRAndy]

The comments I have seen all seem to be city based. Rural transport is a different ball game and I could not manage without personal transport. In any case public transport is no use to me as I cannot walk more than a few hundred yards.
I live in an area with a lot of steep hills so cycling is not really viable. With no motorised transport I might as well be dead.

Are you able to cycle at all? I'd suggest a powerful e-bike if you have any difficulty cycling

 

[cougie uk]

Nobody's banning personal transport. But in cities - having your own car often doesn't make a lot of sense.

Electric bikes are brilliant. You should definitely try one out if you can't cycle.

 

[cyberknight]

The comments I have seen all seem to be city based. Rural transport is a different ball game and I could not manage without personal transport. In any case public transport is no use to me as I cannot walk more than a few hundred yards.
I live in an area with a lot of steep hills so cycling is not really viable. With no motorised transport I might as well be dead.

Are you able to cycle at all? I'd suggest a powerful e-bike if you have any difficulty cycling

indeed i work shifts with no set finish time and the nearest bus stop is at least 2 miles away assuming there was even a service at the times i need one (no chance )

luckily i am able bodied so i manage to cycle , otherwise it would be no choice but to use a vehicle

 

[FishFright]

Still doesn't bode well. The thought of an automated car on crowded roads sounds like a utopian nightmare to me

More or less scary than some of the morons who are in charge of 2 tons of vehicle already ?

 

[oldwheels]

Replying to CXRAndy. An ebike is no use to me as I also have balance problems which stops me cycling. An e-assist trike is possible but the storage for this would up a couple of flights of steps tho' not an insurmountable problem.
My current trike lives in my car but I am the only motor and there are no dealers anywhere near me. I am not sure I could justify the amount of money I would need to spend to give the power and range required so long as I have a car.
Given the problems caused by the selfish tourist industry I would probably be forced out of my home of 50 years anyway and move to the mainland but in my lifetime I do not think this is possible.

 

[oldwheels]

Are you able to cycle at all? I'd suggest a powerful e-bike if you have any difficulty cycling

Bit of a mix up with my posts so duplicating this bit. I have balance problems so two wheels are out. An e-assist trike is possible but range could be a limiting factor. To be realistic and give some leeway 100 miles would be needed. I do have some past experience with an ebike and I would give the realistic range as possibly half to two thirds of that claimed.

 

[gbb]

Just rambling thoughts ive had over the last few months...
Will millions of people lose the need/ability/ possibility to own a car in say 30 years when ICE vehicles are by then largely scrapped or totally uneconomical to drive. Millions if cars off the road, im sure there are sectors if society that would welcome that, damned proles n all that.
Will car pooling / rental cars become the norm ? Will cars go like rental cycles in towns etc, a pool of cars at given points, available to anyone thats subscribed.
I still dont buy that EVs (purely battery tech) are the future, not if they simply want to replace billions of cars around the world, is it even remotely likely they could, is car ownership as we know it going to be a thing of the past ?

Personally , im not very hopefull for the future of peoples freedom of choice, i think things are going to be very different in 20, 30 years.but maybe there will be a shift for the good, one that will still enable the masses to move around with the same freedom we have now without all / most of the negatives cars produce right now.
Ultimately, im not convinced full battery tech is the answer, i think we have a long long way to go, weve only just started the journey perhaps.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

All the Amazon delivery vans in my area are Mercedes electric ones.
Amazon tend to know what they're doing.

I saw one this morning, whilst going to pick a family friend up

 

[cougie uk]

Just rambling thoughts ive had over the last few months...
Will millions of people lose the need/ability/ possibility to own a car in say 30 years when ICE vehicles are by then largely scrapped or totally uneconomical to drive. Millions if cars off the road, im sure there are sectors if society that would welcome that, damned proles n all that.
Will car pooling / rental cars become the norm ? Will cars go like rental cycles in towns etc, a pool of cars at given points, available to anyone thats subscribed.
I still dont buy that EVs (purely battery tech) are the future, not if they simply want to replace billions of cars around the world, is it even remotely likely they could, is car ownership as we know it going to be a thing of the past ?

Personally , im not very hopefull for the future of peoples freedom of choice, i think things are going to be very different in 20, 30 years.but maybe there will be a shift for the good, one that will still enable the masses to move around with the same freedom we have now without all / most of the negatives cars produce right now.
Ultimately, im not convinced full battery tech is the answer, i think we have a long long way to go, weve only just started the journey perhaps.

Your avatar seems well chosen.
40 years ago having a car was a sign you were doing well. Remember how nice the streets were without being cluttered up by cars on the pavement ? Heck we could play out in the street when I was little. Couldn't do that now - too many cars and too much traffic.

Cars are crap. But if you have to have one - get an electric.

 

[FishFright]

Not spotted any in my area and their rather large hub is 6 miles up the road . DPD have one , a local delivery van other than that it’s white van man and they ain’t electric.

Both Amazon and DPD have a mix around here , driver for DPD told me they won't be buying any more diesels.

 

[cougie uk]

It's surprisingly hard to spot an EV tbh. The green plates have not long come in, and not every one chooses to have them.
You can't really keep track of all of the EV models now - there's so many.
Out on the road you're unlikely to hear much difference given how quiet engines can be and the fact that most of the noise is road noise anyway.
Best bet is to go for a walk round the neighbourhood and see how many charge points there are now.

 

[gbb]

Your avatar seems well chosen.
40 years ago having a car was a sign you were doing well. Remember how nice the streets were without being cluttered up by cars on the pavement ? Heck we could play out in the street when I was little. Couldn't do that now - too many cars and too much traffic.

Cars are crap. But if you have to have one - get an electric.

Oh I want the freedom a car brings, had it since those 1970s but accept those days were simpler, better in many ways...and we have fooked things up . As i suggested, perhaps pool / rental cars are the future, i don't see it continuing as it is...but we will have to adapt to new ways