Are we being forced to go electric?

[Alex321]

Think Toyota disagrees with you.

As said above, they have probably got that wrong. Other car manufacturers don't seem to be in agreement with them.

There really doesn't seem to be any good reason at the moment to put a lot of effort into hydrogen power when EVs are improving all the time. Remember, it would need a critical mass of cars being powered that way before it becomes viable, and that just isn't going to happen in the near future.

That could change in future of course, if we start running out of materials to make batteries with.

 

[MrGrumpy]

That could change in future of course, if we start running out of materials to make batteries with.

that is a real possibility!

 

[Biker man]

As said above, they have probably got that wrong. Other car manufacturers don't seem to be in agreement with them.

There really doesn't seem to be any good reason at the moment to put a lot of effort into hydrogen power when EVs are improving all the time. Remember, it would need a critical mass of cars being powered that way before it becomes viable, and that just isn't going to happen in the near future.

That could change in future of course, if we start running out of materials to make batteries with.

 

[figbat]

The laws of thermodynamics won't change. Toyota can't ignore them just like VW couldn't when they got caught with the NOx issue. At the moment the car OEMs are not held accountable for the upstream emissions of their cars, just the manufacturing and use emissions. So all Toyota need is a ready source of hydrogen with the hope that it has come from a sustainably-powered source. Even this doesn't overcome the issue of the hydrogen infrastructure mentioned above, and we haven't even gone near safety yet.

 

[Biker man]

The laws of thermodynamics won't change. Toyota can't ignore them just like VW couldn't when they got caught with the NOx issue. At the moment the car OEMs are not held accountable for the upstream emissions of their cars, just the manufacturing and use emissions. So all Toyota need is a ready source of hydrogen with the hope that it has come from a sustainably-powered source. Even this doesn't overcome the issue of the hydrogen infrastructure mentioned above, and we haven't even gone near safety yet.

They are confident that the problems will be overcome.

 

[DRM]

False, of course.

The fact that the production (and decommissioning) produce emissions does not in any way mean "there is nothing zero emission". They are absolutely zero emission in terms of polluting the air in our cities.



Yes, there is an awful lot of "hope" in that, rather than any properly justified plans.

Where does the electric come from? Wouldn’t happen to be a power station would it, that burns wood and rubbish

 

[CXRAndy]

Where does the electric come from? Wouldn’t happen to be a power station would it, that burns wood and rubbish

Oh dear. Not heard of renewable energy? I chose an energy supplier that only uses renewable.

UK nudging 40% for renewable electricity

 

[MrGrumpy]

Oh dear. Not heard of renewable energy? I chose an energy supplier that only uses renewable.

UK nudging 40% for renewable electricity

Show me an energy provider that only supplies you with renewable energy ?

I might have some magic beans that may interest you ?

 

[DRM]

Oh dear. Not heard of renewable energy? I chose an energy supplier that only uses renewable.

UK nudging 40% for renewable electricity

That’s 60% that isn’t then, you’ve chosen a billing company that can’t make that claim as you can’t pick and choose which electrons get sent to your house

 

[DRM]

As said above, they have probably got that wrong. Other car manufacturers don't seem to be in agreement with them.

There really doesn't seem to be any good reason at the moment to put a lot of effort into hydrogen power when EVs are improving all the time. Remember, it would need a critical mass of cars being powered that way before it becomes viable, and that just isn't going to happen in the near future.

That could change in future of course, if we start running out of materials to make batteries with.

they can afford to look into hydrogen power as they worked out how to make a/c motor powered EV’s over 20 years ago, the thing above is exactly the same technology, just different voltage available with li-ion battery power too

 

[cougie uk]

Show me an energy provider that only supplies you with renewable energy ?

I might have some magic beans that may interest you ?

Octopus for one. I'm on a renewable tariff and it's 5p /kWh to fill my car.

 

[DRM]

Octopus for one. I'm on a renewable tariff and it's 5p /kWh to fill my car.

Doesn’t mean that every bit of electricity going to your home is from renewable sources though does it

 

[figbat]

They are confident that the problems will be overcome.

Who are confident? What is the basis of their confidence? Are they confident that all problems will be overcome? That would be a miracle, as they haven’t come close to solving all the problems associated with ICEs and they’ve had over a century and countless billions of investment thrown at them.

 

[cougie uk]

Doesn’t mean that every bit of electricity going to your home is from renewable sources though does it

Well you can't split electricity like that but they do guarantee that my total electric use is generated from renewable energy.

https://octopus.energy/blog/100-green-what-does-it-mean/

 

[Gillstay]

Doesn’t mean that every bit of electricity going to your home is from renewable sources though does it

No, but you can be sure all your fuel is from oil. These discussions are almost the same as the ones 25 yrs ago, when you would have been saying `solar panels wont work as there is not enough sun in the UK.'
Your just practicing avoidance as you don't want your life to change. Same as the global warning denial and now the fatalism of if the USA does nothing then we should do nothing.