Are we being forced to go electric?

[classic33]

Or tow trailers or have roof boxes on their cars ? All will have an effect in range with a battery powered car. By how much I don’t know. Right now the only advantage EVs have are running costs that’s it everything else is a compromise. However that’s where we are heading isn’t it. The more I read up on EVs the more I need to keep the Death Star running for as long as I can

The rack alone: 3.6%.
With a roof box: 16% - 29%*

https://electrek.co/2020/03/24/tesla-model-3-roof-rack-box-range-efficiency/


*Latter figure given on another site.

 

[All uphill]

I thought the catalytic converter was meant to cut down emissions ? Nobody mentions that anymore, could someone tell why?

Catalytic convertors reduce emissions, but do not eliminate them. They are part of the work done to reduce the harmful effects of the ICE.

 

[Alex321]

Long way to go I’d say https://grid.iamkate.com/

It is. But over 25% of generation coming from renewables now, and that is only going to increase. It was about 4% in 2012.

 

[CXRAndy]

Our cheaper economy 7 tariff runs from 1:30 to 5am now... it used to be 11-7 when I were a lad!

Yes they were. In fact the economy 7 tariffs are quite poor to the EV overnight pricing. You can get a 6 hour tariff but only for Tesla, need a certain type of charger and only an apple phone Next year android app and hopefully other vehicles.

 

[CXRAndy]

Long way to go I’d say https://grid.iamkate.com/

Did you see the big drop in power demand overnight on the graphs' you supplied. This is where most EV owners charge and why its cheap electric because there is excess energy that needs to be used.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Yes they were. In fact the economy 7 tariffs are quite poor to the EV overnight pricing. You can get a 6 hour tariff but only for Tesla, need a certain type of charger and only an apple phone Next year android app and hopefully other vehicles.

Hence regulation needs to get sorted out proper, another thing mentioned in Dispatches. Still come across as quite niche owning an EV. It will change , has to certainly with in a decade.

 

[cougie uk]

Hence regulation needs to get sorted out proper, another thing mentioned in Dispatches. Still come across as quite niche owning an EV. It will change , has to certainly with in a decade.

It's not that niche even now. There's two in my close of 9 houses, they're in every car park I visit now. And that's probably underestimating. If it hasn't got a green plate or I don't recognise the model then I wouldn't even know if a car is electric.

 

[MrGrumpy]

3 in my street of 64 houses of which there are probably 120 cars in total . That’s quite low ! One Model 3 and purely for the tax break as they have a business and then two Audi E Trons . That’s is it . My old street there are none whatsoever not even a hybrid. In my place of work there are none in this mornings shift. However I do know off two staff whom have an EV of some sort .

 

[CXRAndy]

3 in my street of 64 houses of which there are probably 120 cars in total . That’s quite low ! One Model 3 and purely for the tax break as they have a business and then two Audi E Trons . That’s is it . My old street there are none whatsoever not even a hybrid. In my place of work there are none in this mornings shift. However I do know off two staff whom have an EV of some sort .

No, it means you live in a deprived neighbourhood

 

[MrGrumpy]

No, it means you live in a deprived neighbourhood

Roflol if only you knew

 

[figbat]

Since getting mine I notice them everywhere, they are more than just niche now, and have moved beyond early adoption, they are verging on mainstream. Almost all OEMs offer them now. With mine, if you didn't see the green rectangle you might not take it for an EV - there are some very subtle badges on it which differentiate it from an ICE version but many people would probably miss these details. That said, in my road I believe I am the only EV owner - there are a couple of PHEVs nearby and a Tesla around the corner. My village has quite an elderly demographic though.

 

[Alex321]

My village has quite an elderly demographic though.

The only person I know personally who I know has an EV is one of my Morris dancing friends - who is 83!

 

[Milzy]

Volvo are saying you need to drive an E.V for 9 years before you off set the CO2 foot print?
Can’t be true. They still make E.V’s & will phase out IC engines though.

 

[cougie uk]

Volvo are saying you need to drive an E.V for 9 years before you off set the CO2 foot print?
Can’t be true. They still make E.V’s & will phase out IC engines though.

Depends on how the Electric is generated.
According to the life cycle assessment, the C40 Recharge has a CO2 footprint of around 27 tonnes over its entire life cycle if the charging current comes exclusively from clean energy sources. If, on the other hand, the vehicle owner uses the average global energy mix, in which about 60 per cent of electricity is generated from fossil fuels, emissions rise to as much as 50 tonnes of CO2 – with the EU-28 electricity mix, the figure is still 42 tonnes of CO2.

The Volvo XC40 with combustion engine, for example, has 59 tonnes of CO2 over its life cycle. The so-called “end-of-life” emissions and the share of production in the Volvo factories are the same regardless of the type of drive.

So it does depend on the mix of electricity. I'm on a renewables only tariff - so if that was my Volvo - it would be less than 50% of the carbon footprint of the ICE version.

 

[CXRAndy]

Depends on how the Electric is generated.
According to the life cycle assessment, the C40 Recharge has a CO2 footprint of around 27 tonnes over its entire life cycle if the charging current comes exclusively from clean energy sources. If, on the other hand, the vehicle owner uses the average global energy mix, in which about 60 per cent of electricity is generated from fossil fuels, emissions rise to as much as 50 tonnes of CO2 – with the EU-28 electricity mix, the figure is still 42 tonnes of CO2.

The Volvo XC40 with combustion engine, for example, has 59 tonnes of CO2 over its life cycle. The so-called “end-of-life” emissions and the share of production in the Volvo factories are the same regardless of the type of drive.

So it does depend on the mix of electricity. I'm on a renewables only tariff - so if that was my Volvo - it would be less than 50% of the carbon footprint of the ICE version.

Also factor the distance covered. I've added up our EV mileage from our cars. In the last 3 years we've done over 100,000 miles on electric. The emissions saved are huge from tailpipe to using renewable electric supplies.