Are we being forced to go electric?

[cougie uk]

I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as some are making out, regarding school runs. Many more cars on the road now, too dangerous for anyone of primary school age to walk alone. There are no walking buses at mine. More common for both parents to work now, compared to when we were at school.

Walking my son to school would make me 45 minutes late for work every morning. Sometimes there's no way around it. An electric vehicle would not make any difference to safety or congestion, and the green credentials are questionable

Not that questionable Andy.

My EV charges off renewables.

Would you rather that or me burn oil ?

I agree that electric is no solution to congestion - but maybe Covid has helped that a bit by showing firms that not everyone has to be in a city centre office at the same time.

 

[Electric_Andy]

My EV charges off renewables

Ok, in that case I stand corrected!

 

[CXRAndy]

, and the green credentials are questionable

Well I'd suggest you leave your diesel idling outside the school gates, watching your son's physical and mental development stunted by the millions of particulates belching out of your exhaust.


That would be great laugh wouldn't it-not

 

[Pale Rider]

Well I'd suggest you leave your diesel idling outside the school gates, watching your son's physical and mental development stunted by the millions of particulates belching out of your exhaust.


That would be great laugh wouldn't it-not

Far better to send a little lad down a mine in Africa to get stuff for your battery.

Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[Electric_Andy]

Well I'd suggest you leave your diesel idling outside the school gates, watching your son's physical and mental development stunted by the millions of particulates belching out of your exhaust.


That would be great laugh wouldn't it-not

I always park a good distance away from the school and switch my engine off. You should do headlines for the Sun

 

[Tenkaykev]

 

[Illaveago]

What people seem to be forgetting is that in the rush to do away with fossil fuels they are not thinking of the chemicals , plastics and lubricants which are derived from them . Electric vehicles vehicles and even cycles will still need grease for bearings , plastic for components and insulation .
If the oil companies can't sell their petrol and diesel fuel then the prices for other commodities will surely rise .

 

[figbat]

What people seem to be forgetting is that in the rush to do away with fossil fuels they are not thinking of the chemicals , plastics and lubricants which are derived from them . Electric vehicles vehicles and even cycles will still need grease for bearings , plastic for components and insulation .
If the oil companies can't sell their petrol and diesel fuel then the prices for other commodities will surely ride .

Just to add, EVs also need oil for the transmission(s) and new designs of EV with direct-cooled batteries will use an oil-type coolant. Plus there’s brake fluid. Volumes of these are much less than fuel of course, and oil change intervals are much longer than for ICE oil, but there is still demand for oily substances.

There will also be hydrocarbon needs for the energy supply, whether coal/oil/gas for burning, oil for the gas/steam turbines, gearbox lubricants for wind etc.

 

[All uphill]

What people seem to be forgetting is that in the rush to do away with fossil fuels they are not thinking of the chemicals , plastics and lubricants which are derived from them . Electric vehicles vehicles and even cycles will still need grease for bearings , plastic for components and insulation .
If the oil companies can't sell their petrol and diesel fuel then the prices for other commodities will surely ride .

Less demand for oil-based products surely equates to lower prices?

Yes there will be a hydrocarbon industry for decades, but stopping burning the stuff will make an enormous difference.

 

[MrGrumpy]

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Says the man who sells cars . Any car for that matter ?! Maybe he is not shifting enough of them !

 

[MrGrumpy]

Far better to send a little lad down a mine in Africa to get stuff for your battery.

Out of sight, out of mind.

Yep it’s lost on some in this thread .

 

[Illaveago]

Less demand for oil-based products surely equates to lower prices?

Yes there will be a hydrocarbon industry for decades, but stopping burning the stuff will make an enormous difference.

If their exploration and manufacturing costs are part of their pricing structure then losing sales of certain products will surely be put onto other products .

 

[Pale Rider]

Says the man who sells cars . Any car for that matter ?! Maybe he is not shifting enough of them !

At least he can't fiddle the tail pipe emissions on an electric car.

 

[cougie uk]

Says the man who sells cars . Any car for that matter ?! Maybe he is not shifting enough of them !

View: https://youtu.be/nkA3Oi7Tztg


Fifth Gear have no cars to sell.

 

[cougie uk]

Just to add, EVs also need oil for the transmission(s) and new designs of EV with direct-cooled batteries will use an oil-type coolant. Plus there’s brake fluid. Volumes of these are much less than fuel of course, and oil change intervals are much longer than for ICE oil, but there is still demand for oily substances.

There will also be hydrocarbon needs for the energy supply, whether coal/oil/gas for burning, oil for the gas/steam turbines, gearbox lubricants for wind etc.

I'm pretty sure my bikes use more oil than my EV.