Are we being forced to go electric?

[Illaveago]

I was a bit surprised by a Top Gear programme I watched yesterday . It was a repeat so it was a year or so ago .
The 3 peeps each had a different car , a BMW hybrid, Volvo hybrid and a Tesla 3. I don't know how many miles they covered but when they filled up I think it was £13 of petrol for the Volvo and 25 minutes charge for the Tesla . My question is is how public charging points are going to operate if and when more electric vehicles become more common ? It is one of the questions my wife and I ask . We sometimes visit her sister in Yorkshire, 180 miles. If we had an electric vehicle we would probably have to recharge at Leicester Forrest, range reduced due to heating , lights , wipers, etc. So as more electric vehicle become more common place the chances are that charging points will be occupied . They would have to operate a queueing system otherwise it would be a free for all .

 

[CXRAndy]

I was a bit surprised by a Top Gear programme I watched yesterday . It was a repeat so it was a year or so ago .
The 3 peeps each had a different car , a BMW hybrid, Volvo hybrid and a Tesla 3. I don't know how many miles they covered but when they filled up I think it was £13 of petrol for the Volvo and 25 minutes charge for the Tesla . My question is is how public charging points are going to operate if and when more electric vehicles become more common ? It is one of the questions my wife and I ask . We sometimes visit her sister in Yorkshire, 180 miles. If we had an electric vehicle we would probably have to recharge at Leicester Forrest, range reduced due to heating , lights , wipers, etc. So as more electric vehicle become more common place the chances are that charging points will be occupied . They would have to operate a queueing system otherwise it would be a free for all .

Infrastructure will improve. However most folk who are buying EVs currently have a drive and charge to full at home if they're doing a long journey the night before. There is going to be an adjustment going forward.

If you're expecting exactly the same process you now do filling your ICE- you're going to be disappointed.

 

[cougie uk]

I was a bit surprised by a Top Gear programme I watched yesterday . It was a repeat so it was a year or so ago .
The 3 peeps each had a different car , a BMW hybrid, Volvo hybrid and a Tesla 3. I don't know how many miles they covered but when they filled up I think it was £13 of petrol for the Volvo and 25 minutes charge for the Tesla . My question is is how public charging points are going to operate if and when more electric vehicles become more common ? It is one of the questions my wife and I ask . We sometimes visit her sister in Yorkshire, 180 miles. If we had an electric vehicle we would probably have to recharge at Leicester Forrest, range reduced due to heating , lights , wipers, etc. So as more electric vehicle become more common place the chances are that charging points will be occupied . They would have to operate a queueing system otherwise it would be a free for all .

1. I think most EV's will be charged at home. I've had mine for over a year and only charged away from home when on holiday - so not every EV will be fighting for chargers.
2. Motorway rechargers seem to have two bays and often near the entrance to the restaurants - so the worst possible place really. Poorly thought out.
3. New charging stations are now out there that look a lot like petrol stations - 8 bays, 16 bays, - less chance of needing to queue.
https://www.gridserve.com/2020/12/06/gridserve-opens-uks-first-electric-forecourt/

 

[CXRAndy]

Far better to send a little lad down a mine in Africa to get stuff for your battery.

Out of sight, out of mind.

And you don't think these poor kids wouldn't be abused if it was gold, diamonds, stripping circuit boards for precious metals contained in processors. There are many abuses around the world- yet let's all blame it all on lithium mining for all the atrocities -get real.

You'd better give up your Ebikes then

 

[CXRAndy]

I always park a good distance away from the school and switch my engine off. You should do headlines for the Sun

You drove there in a diesel, it matters not that you park down the road. The area will be polluted. You have openly admitted not wanting to walk your kid to school.

 

[MrGrumpy]

And you don't think these poor kids wouldn't be abused if it was gold, diamonds, stripping circuit boards for precious metals contained in processors. There are many abuses around the world- yet let's all blame it all on lithium mining for all the atrocities -get real.

You'd better give up your Ebikes then

Well thats alright then ! As you were !

 

[Electric_Andy]

You drove there in a diesel, it matters not that you park down the road. The area will be polluted. You have openly admitted not wanting to walk your kid to school.

incorrect; I want to walk my child to school but I work full time, so if I had to walk back I'd be late for work every day and so lose my job. Maybe stop judging others and lumping everyone in with "too lazy to walk" and maybe consider that some single parent families have problems that you've been lucky enough to avoid

 

[CXRAndy]

incorrect; I want to walk my child to school but I work full time, so if I had to walk back I'd be late for work every day and so lose my job. Maybe stop judging others and lumping everyone in with "too lazy to walk" and maybe consider that some single parent families have problems that you've been lucky enough to avoid

If you live within 2 miles of your kids school. Then walking or cycling is eminently doable. My kids cycled to school 2 miles from the age of 7. Bus when they went to secondary school. Take them earlier let them play in the school grounds or wait patiently

 

[cougie uk]

incorrect; I want to walk my child to school but I work full time, so if I had to walk back I'd be late for work every day and so lose my job. Maybe stop judging others and lumping everyone in with "too lazy to walk" and maybe consider that some single parent families have problems that you've been lucky enough to avoid

Maybe speak to your employer and shift your work hours ? Bike your kids to work ? Different house ? Different school ? There's lots of options available if you wanted to take them. Nobody drove to school back in my day.

 

[CXRAndy]

Well thats alright then ! As you were !

You're being obtuse in understanding. The world is changing re vehicle transport.

Blaming aspects that virtually all of use take benefits from, then hypocritically sniping because its in a car doesn't wash

 

[figbat]

We sometimes visit her sister in Yorkshire, 180 miles. If we had an electric vehicle we would probably have to recharge at Leicester Forrest, range reduced due to heating , lights , wipers, etc.

Plenty of EVs will do 180 miles without a recharge - you'd probably have to arrange charging whilst you are there though, or on the return journey.

 

[fossyant]

You'd better give up your Ebikes then

What's an e-bike.... 🍿

 

[fossyant]

It's OK, Boris will get his marching orders, his missus won't be leading the Government, and you'll all be back to dirty diesels again next year

 

[Illaveago]

Plenty of EVs will do 180 miles without a recharge - you'd probably have to arrange charging whilst you are there though, or on the return journey.

The Guy Martin programme showed that the quoted mileages don't work out in reality . I can remember reading a post on another thread by an owner that in the winter the range could drop to 60% so that would be Leicester for a recharge.

 

[mustang1]

Which will almost certainly happen.


"The reality" hasn't come close to happening yet.

Don't expect EVs to be competitive on price until at least 20% of new cars are EVs, maybe more. And that is a few years away yet.

But manufacturers have to keep selling reasonable numbers of cars t stay in business. Their main profit drivers are mass market cars. And when new pure IC cars are no longer allowed to be sold (less than 10 years away), EVs will be priced to fit that market.

Uhm, but fossil fuel car prices have been steadily, and plrapidly, going up and they have been around for decades and decades.
A Nbottom of the rang enissan micra cost £5k in the late 80s. Today it's £14k. Sure, it has more tech and a more powerful engine, but shouldn't the prices have gone down? I think once people get accustomed to paying higher prices, why would any company want to reduce prices?