Are we being forced to go electric?

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cougie uk

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MrGrumpy said:
Don’t need any of that just a proper round the clock public transport service . Reliable and value for money. However out with the large towns cities it’s garbage ….
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London probably has the best public transport system in the world - yet Uber, Black cabs and taxis all prosper.
 
cyberknight

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fossyant said:
Little interesting fact:-

My BIL works in car insurance, He said there is a fair number of new 'electric car drivers' who crash their cars within the first few days as they aren't used to the power delivery - it's very high compared to ICE. He also said they don't like to insure Teslas, as they 'the cars' attract a particular 'type' of driver, and it's not one type they like to do business with (risk). Not the car's fault though !
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ex bmw drivers? :okay:
 
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CXRAndy said:
Because we are all guilty of owning vehicles which spend 99% of the life parked up. Extremely wasteful.

In the future automated driverless vehicles will be called for transport via app.

There will be far less vehicles all pooled waiting to go from one trip onto the next. A bit like taxi's now except driverless.
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Right. So not because of level 5 automation, but because of a change in habits.

I'm not convinced those habits will change easily.
 
fossyant

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cougie uk said:
London probably has the best public transport system in the world - yet Uber, Black cabs and taxis all prosper.
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Yet the rest of the UK it's shoot.... Two trains an hour at peak times into Manchester City centre. Only 9 miles, but the cost is approaching £1500 a year, and the Northern Fail put on two carriages - I certainly would not pay that to stand up and be treated like cattle every morning - so car or pedal bike for me - most other folk it's car. Electric cars aren't the answer.
 
icowden

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Alex321 said:
Right. So not because of level 5 automation, but because of a change in habits.

I'm not convinced those habits will change easily.
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Maybe not, but if we get to the point where summoning a self driving car is really cheap, much cheaper than owning a car that does nothing but sit on your drive 23 hours a day, it starts to become very appealing. There might even be a point where we decide whether we want our cars to earn some money for us by letting them go out and be pooled...
 
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icowden said:
Maybe not, but if we get to the point where summoning a self driving car is really cheap, much cheaper than owning a car that does nothing but sit on your drive 23 hours a day, it starts to become very appealing. There might even be a point where we decide whether we want our cars to earn some money for us by letting them go out and be
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Self driving car to my door ??!! Nope won’t happen not anytime soon . A frequent , decent value for money public transport , that runs 24/7 now that can be here now !!
 
fossyant

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icowden said:
Maybe not, but if we get to the point where summoning a self driving car is really cheap, much cheaper than owning a car that does nothing but sit on your drive 23 hours a day, it starts to become very appealing. There might even be a point where we decide whether we want our cars to earn some money for us by letting them go out and be pooled...
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That's not going to happen any time soon. Self driving cars on highways where there are other users. We need to improve public transport and active travel options.
 
fossyant

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icowden said:
Yeah. Probably decades away..

Oh wait...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology-news/driverless-cars-hit-public-roads-milton-keynes
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The odd car maybe, but anything that's been said above - i.e. dial a robo-car, no chance.

Who will foot the bill when I get knocked off my bike by a robot car - it will happen - that alone will delay robo-cars by decades. Almost happened yesterday when a learner driver pulled out on me, neither he nor the driving instructor, with a set of brakes himself, saw me. Fortunately I was able to use the 'wrong side' of the road to avoid injury.
 
icowden

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MrGrumpy said:
That BBC article does not refer to driverless cars ! So yes I’ll wait …….. long time before I can summon a driverless car to my front door to take me to work or wherever !!!
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From JustAuto:-

What Musk means by “basic functionality” is unclear but it’s likely that the system will require a lengthy testing and refining period before it can be used in customers’ cars. As a result, GlobalData doesn’t expect the deployment of level 5 fully self-driving vehicles to deviate from its current timeline. Currently, forecasts show level 5 vehicles beginning to appear in very low volumes in 2024 with an equally slow ramp-up to around half-a-million level 5 vehicles produced in 2030. It is likely that these vehicles won’t be consumer-owned but, instead, will be part of large robotaxi fleets because they are more easily able to absorb the high purchase price of level 5 vehicles.
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