Are we being forced to go electric?

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MrGrumpy

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While that is true, charging EVs requires rather more of the stuff than is needed to operate petrol pumps and the shop.

Each charge point will need to be at least 7Kw - and preferably 22KW which requires 3-pohase electicity. I have no idea how many forecourts currently have a 3-phase supply
They will have 3 phase I’m sure ? Many have car washes beside them and air compressors. However getting back to the point of exchange batteries . Why not ? I think it’s a great idea
 

MrGrumpy

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Just out of interest, are these charging points in forecourts in the same place as the petrol pumps, or are they in parking areas at the front/side? And how much do they charge..and how? There are charging spaces in my hospital multi storey car park, but I've never had a close look at them to see if you have to pay for charging. How does it work? Surely you can't pre-pay becasue you don't know how long you'll need. Or do you put your card details in first and then it charges you for whatever you've used?

Looking at the planning for the ones that will go in beside me it’s off to the side which has already got car parking .
 

Alex321

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They will have 3 phase I’m sure ? Many have car washes beside them and air compressors. However getting back to the point of exchange batteries . Why not ? I think it’s a great idea
It would need massive improvements in battery technology for it to be practical.

With current batteries, removing and replacing would take more time than a regular fast charge because of the size and weight. As said previously, you are talking fork lifts here. And probably pretty major redesign of vehicles to make them easily removable.

And standardisation across manufacturers - charging/changeover stations would not be wanting to carry stocks of a dozen different battery types.

And then you have the question of replacing like-for-like - you may have only charged the battery in your car a dozen times from new, using your home charger, then go on a long journey, replace the battery part way through that, and get one that has been cycled 5000 times.

In principle, it sounds like a good idea. But the practicalities make it unlikely t happen any time soon IMO.
 

vickster

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Just out of interest, are these charging points in forecourts in the same place as the petrol pumps, or are they in parking areas at the front/side? And how much do they charge..and how? There are charging spaces in my hospital multi storey car park, but I've never had a close look at them to see if you have to pay for charging. How does it work? Surely you can't pre-pay becasue you don't know how long you'll need. Or do you put your card details in first and then it charges you for whatever you've used?
Credit/debit card presumably like pay at pump petrol stations?
 

Alex321

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Credit/debit card presumably like pay at pump petrol stations?
I was just about to say the same.

I would imagine they will work exactly the same way pay at pump does for current petrol/diesel filling.

Put your card details in, and it then says "Now lift nozzle and begin fuelling. Maximum £99". They will just need to modify the wording slightly.
 

BrumJim

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Just out of interest, are these charging points in forecourts in the same place as the petrol pumps, or are they in parking areas at the front/side? And how much do they charge..and how? There are charging spaces in my hospital multi storey car park, but I've never had a close look at them to see if you have to pay for charging. How does it work? Surely you can't pre-pay becasue you don't know how long you'll need. Or do you put your card details in first and then it charges you for whatever you've used?
Some charging points are free, as an encouragement to use their services, e.g. Tesco, Co-op and some restaurants, pubs, etc. Charge rate for some of these can be quite low.

Normally it is through an App (what isn't, these days) which takes care of the control and charging. Just log in to the App, confirm, and it will send a message to the charger to start. Some give you 15mins of charge before it needs confirmation. Some use a pre-pay RFID card, and some may use a credit card reader, but an App is by far the most common method.

Charging can be what they want. Seen prices of up to 45p/kWh. Fast chargers may be even more, to the point where they are no longer competitive with fuel. At home rates, though, I am saving roughly 1/4 of the price compared to my last car. As a guide, it costs me roughly £5 to get 150 miles of range.
 

Tenkaykev

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Are you sure its a generator? Normally it is a battery pack that gives enough charge for the car to get to the nearest charging point.
The RAC use the patrol vehicles diesel engine to power the generator.
https://www.rac.co.uk/innovation/ev-boost
 

CXRAndy

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The government instructed all EV charging networks to swap over to contactless payment. From what Ive seen this has been adopted and roll out all contactless for new charge stations.

Roll up flash your card, plug in and decide how much range you want. Couldn't be easier. Well it can, if you use Tesla's network. They have all your payment details preloaded. Its know your car, just pull up, press a button on the lead, charge socket auto opens, away you go. In the case of my car totally free for life of ownership :biggrin:
 

MrGrumpy

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Better wipe again :whistle:
 

BrumJim

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There is a brand new housing estate on the site of the local hospital. This has an extraordinary number of electric cars. Is it because:
a) These houses have drives, and so electric or potential electric car owners will buy one in preference to a more traditional Bournville house?
b) People who buy new houses are less tied to tradition and therefore more likely to accept electric vehicles as the future?
c) People in new housing estates are all new to the area, and therefore more likely to follow herd instinct, and it took just one person to get an electric car for lots to follow?
d) People who have the money to buy a new house also have the money to buy a new car. And just taking a cross-section of the UK new car sales, a greater proportion of those new cars are electric?
 
There is a brand new housing estate on the site of the local hospital. This has an extraordinary number of electric cars. Is it because:
a) These houses have drives, and so electric or potential electric car owners will buy one in preference to a more traditional Bournville house?
b) People who buy new houses are less tied to tradition and therefore more likely to accept electric vehicles as the future?
c) People in new housing estates are all new to the area, and therefore more likely to follow herd instinct, and it took just one person to get an electric car for lots to follow?
d) People who have the money to buy a new house also have the money to buy a new car. And just taking a cross-section of the UK new car sales, a greater proportion of those new cars are electric?
You can save a fortune with an electric car if you have to drive a fair bit.
 
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