Are we being forced to go electric?

[gzoom]

never be one for me

I think we all get that message .

There are plenty of other EVs around, pretty much every brand how has EVs in saloon all the way through to SUV format. MG does options if you want to save money, if money is no object the BMW iX is actually quite an accomplished SUV beating the X in the 'mosse' test which is no mean feat. Ofcourse if you want the 'best' EV saloon, Porsche will happily sell you a Taycan - but there is a 6 months waiting list.

 

[vickster]

I think we all get that message .

There are plenty of other EVs around, pretty much every brand how has EVs in saloon all the way through to SUV format. MG does options if you want to save money, if money is no object the BMW iX is actually quite an accomplished SUV beating the X in the 'mosse' test which is no mean feat. Ofcourse if you want the 'best' EV saloon, Porsche will happily sell you a Taycan - but there is a 6 months waiting list.

There’s no small estate similar to my Skoda though as I stated…. All the MGs are huge (there’s one over the road) and still north of 30k. I have no desire or need for an SUV or a saloon

 

[SpokeyDokey]

I think we all get that message .

There are plenty of other EVs around, pretty much every brand how has EVs in saloon all the way through to SUV format. MG does options if you want to save money, if money is no object the BMW iX is actually quite an accomplished SUV beating the X in the 'mosse' test which is no mean feat. Ofcourse if you want the 'best' EV saloon, Porsche will happily sell you a Taycan - but there is a 6 months waiting list.

We have a friend with an iX (500bhp +) that is due for delivery very shortly and another with a 700bhp + Taycan Cross due in May.

Absolutely bonkers - and I am far from anti-car.

Laughably, the soon to be Taycan owners wears their eco-credentials with pride. Has a 4 car garage and never turns all the lights off in there as it is so inconvenient as well as an all year round heated outdoor swimming pool.

Apologies for last para' being a bit of a rant aside but it does illustrate the rank hypocrisy of some EV buyers.

PS: not having a dig at you @gzoom 👍

 

[gzoom]

There’s no small estate similar to my Skoda though as I stated…. All the MGs are huge (there’s one over the road) and still north of 30k. I have no desire or need for an SUV or a saloon

Have you actually seen the MGs?? They aren't 'Huge' at 4.3m long, 1.8m wide they are pretty much the same size as Ford Focus.....if you want think a Ford Focus is 'Huge' than we have to disagree on your definition of 'huge' .

 

[gzoom]

Apologies for last para' being a bit of a rant aside but it does illustrate the rank hypocrisy of some EV buyers.

Am not sure anyone pretends EVs are 'green', I went EV because of the running costs. In many ways EV SUVs are 'perfect'. A conventional petrol SUV that can do 0-60 in 5 seconds will do at best 25mpg, along with eating through brake pads. I don't care how much ££££ you have, 25mpg is very noticeable as are £1000 brake pad/disc changes every 10K miles. An EV SUV costs barely any more to run than a smaller EVs.

Our Model X has done through only 1 set of front discs/pads in 50K miles, and costs roughly 3.5p/mile in fuel (even with current high electricity costs). Its probably why depreciation are so low, SUV body style, crazy performance, AND cheap running costs.....whats not to like

 

[SpokeyDokey]

^^^
But the whole ethos of EV's is being at the forefront of the green revolution.

And in what world does producing oversized cars with 'crazy performance' make any sense?

 

[fossyant]

cheap running costs.....whats not to like

Stupidly high purchase prices ! And that goes for all EV's. You can buy a lot of fuel for the price difference. As a low mileage driver, they make no sense financially.

 

[fossyant]

But the whole ethos of EV's is part of the green revolution.

And in what world does oversized cars with 'crazy performance' make any sense?

When a 4 seater city ICE car/city EV will do !

You'd buy a city car and 'hire' a bigger car when needed. Most big cars contain just the driver. But that's way too sensible.

 

[vickster]

^^^
But the whole ethos of EV's is being at the forefront of the green revolution.

And in what world does producing oversized cars with 'crazy performance' make any sense?

Some even have a green stripe on the number plates

 

[nickyboy]

Yup - size matters to some people.

We've had people take the proverbial out of our small car choice despite knowing that we could easily afford to buy/run a big SUV.

They just cannot get their head around downsizing their cars and their EV purchases, sadly, show no sign of this abating.

****wits the lot of them.

Except they aren't ****wits, they're rational people responding to the financial metrics they are presented with in choosing a car.

If you want to stop people choosing to run large SUVs you have to change the financial metrics of ownership. At the moment it isn't sufficiently expensive to deter a significant cohort of the car owning public

 

[vickster]

Have you actually seen the MGs?? They aren't 'Huge' at 4.3m long, 1.8m wide they are pretty much the same size as Ford Focus.....if you want think a Ford Focus is 'Huge' than we have to disagree on your definition of 'huge' .

Yes, they have the SUV one over the road, it’s a big car for one person.
I expect the Focus has got bigger since I had one. I couldn't fit anything wider or longer than the Skoda on my drive and I don’t believe in parking on the street when I have a driveway. Is there an electric Focus estate that size...not a hatchback? Those dimesions are longer and wider than the Skoda estate. According to the Ford UK site there's no electric Focus yet anyhow (only a mild hybrid whatever that is)

 

[cougie uk]

I think we should be taking the proverbial bull by the horns by banning big EV SUV's now.

And ban these ridiculous monster trucks that tradesmen have started to use. Whatever the fuel.

 

[cougie uk]

Stupidly high purchase prices ! And that goes for all EV's. You can buy a lot of fuel for the price difference. As a low mileage driver, they make no sense financially.

I paid less for my second hand leaf than my pal paid for her mini of the same age.

And fuel 1/10th the price. Makes a big difference if you have to drive a lot.

 

[vickster]

I paid less for my second hand leaf than my pal paid for her mini of the same age.

And fuel 1/10th the price. Makes a big difference if you have to drive a lot.

How much are replacement batteries?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Except they aren't ****wits, they're rational people responding to the financial metrics they are presented with in choosing a car.

If you want to stop people choosing to run large SUVs you have to change the financial metrics of ownership. At the moment it isn't sufficiently expensive to deter a significant cohort of the car owning public

I fully understand your financial rationale but imo large ESUV buyers are still ****wits for sticking two fingers up to the rest of the world albeit possibly unwittingly.

I think we will have to agree to differ. 🙂