Are we being forced to go electric?

[CXRAndy]

For minor niggles they're on par with the best of German/Japanese vehicles. The running cost and service is where they win by a country mile. Our Nissan Leaf 40kW used one set of set of tyres around 48,000 miles. No brakes pads or discs, no fluid to change in the 3 years we owned it sold with over 70,000 miles.

New Nissan 62kW bought with 3000 miles in late Nov 21 now with 12,000 miles on the clock.

 

[Deleted User]

Because if we want a car at all, we will not have the choice in a few years - as per the title of the thread.

A NEW one maybe, I doubt every car on the road in the country will need to be electric any time soon.

 

[cougie uk]

Because if we want a car at all, we will not have the choice in a few years - as per the title of the thread.

Should you have the right to throw out noxious fumes as you drive past kids ?

 

[Alex321]

A NEW one maybe, I doubt every car on the road in the country will need to be electric any time soon.

I suspect it may not take as long after the new rules come in as some people think.

As EVs become the more common type of vehicle, petrol stations will become uneconomic to run - they already struggle without attached shops. And if it starts to become difficult to refuel, ICE cars will quite quickly become unattractive.

 

[Alex321]

Should you have the right to throw out noxious fumes as you drive past kids ?

Can you think of any possible reason for posting that as a response to what I wrote?

It is a p[art of the argument for going electric, but nothing to do with what you responded to.

 

[Deleted User]

I suspect it may not take as long after the new rules come in as some people think.

As EVs become the more common type of vehicle, petrol stations will become uneconomic to run - they already struggle without attached shops. And if it starts to become difficult to refuel, ICE cars will quite quickly become unattractive.

Well let's hope you're wrong as there are plenty of people out there that either can't afford an electric car or don't want one, also what about motorcycles or classic vehicles?

Will it just be a case of f**k you, too bad!

 

[fossyant]

I’ve just had a little browse of that Which survey.

Not much of a surprise in it. Most faults on cars these days, irrespective of motive power, is the electronics. Tesla sell a big percentage of all electric cars sold. Tesla is American. American cars are notorious for shonky build quality!

We‘ve got Kias at work. Very high quality feel and excellent reliability, almost as good as Toyota these days.

Yeh, but don't diss the Tesla fanboys, nor JRL drivers.

I'll stick to commuting by BIKE - yeh, stick that up your non-existant tail pipes, you planet burning leccy car drivers (via the gas power station).

 

[fossyant]

Should you have the right to throw out noxious fumes as you drive past kids ?

Erm, leccy car drivers just throw the fumes out via the power station. Get a bike !

 

[Deleted User]

Erm, leccy car drivers just throw the fumes out via the power station. Get a bike !

Or exploit the people mining the stuff to make them batteries.

 

[fossyant]

Or exploit the people mining the stuff to make them batteries.

Especially those leccy bike riders ! OK we're getting silly !!! 👅

 

[figbat]

Or exploit the people mining the stuff to make them batteries.

This gets mentioned a lot, but what's the truth? Got a source? There are certainly challenges associated with the local environmental impact of lithium and rare earth metal mining, but my (limited) experience of commercial mining is that is it highly professional and significantly mechanised. This idea that children are slaving away down a mine picking out nuggets of neodymium with their teeth is somewhat over-used and probably unrealistic (but it serves the point though, right?).

That said, there are also local impacts of extracting hydrocarbons too (and we don't hear about kids down the oil wells slopping crude out with a bucket).

 

[fossyant]

For minor niggles they're on par with the best of German/Japanese vehicles. The running cost and service is where they win by a country mile. Our Nissan Leaf 40kW used one set of set of tyres around 48,000 miles. No brakes pads or discs, no fluid to change in the 3 years we owned it sold with over 70,000 miles.

New Nissan 62kW bought with 3000 miles in late Nov 21 now with 11,000 miles on the clock.

That's cos it's a Nissan. We own two ICE Nissans and they are trouble free. Mine has just had it's first set of rear discs, and I'll probably do the fronts this year - 140,000 miles...

 

[figbat]

...I've literally never heard of a 'software' issues making a Tesla 'undrivable'.

Ahem... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

 

[figbat]

A Tesla is more akin to a smartphone with wheels than it is to a car. This is why they are vastly outselling their rivals who are still trying to fit computers into a car, rather than wheels on a smartphone.

And this is why it's a great smart device wrapped in a flaky car - build quality etc is not up to 'traditional' car standards (some panel gaps, for example, are comical). However, people are buying the device for its smart capabilities, which it does well. Traditional OEMs are great at making cars and aligning panels but playing catch-up on the digital infrastructure.

 

[Deleted User]

This gets mentioned a lot, but what's the truth? Got a source? There are certainly challenges associated with the local environmental impact of lithium and rare earth metal mining, but my (limited) experience of commercial mining is that is it highly professional and significantly mechanised. This idea that children are slaving away down a mine picking out nuggets of neodymium with their teeth is somewhat over-used and probably unrealistic (but it serves the point though, right?).

That said, there are also local impacts of extracting hydrocarbons too (and we don't hear about kids down the oil wells slopping crude out with a bucket).

https://amp.theguardian.com/environ...s-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future