Are we being forced to go electric?

[MrGrumpy]

All of the above is true. What is also true is that the price of fuel is probably going to get worse, and continue to do so. The net effect of the death of the ICE industry is going to be higher diesel and petrol prices followed by a decrease in the number of places where you can buy diesel and petrol. 7 years until no more petrol or diesel cars being sold in the UK, and other countries doing the same.

Well that might be the break even point ! As I’ve said in other threads My big guzzle 4x4 is getting to the point of maybe moving it on. However I need to sell my caravan first as that will decide what we do next . However that still won’t be an EV , at this present time .

 

[icowden]

Very Boring colour
And a private seller…I’d never spend what is closer to 22k on a private sale with no comeback or warranty 👎
And miles away!

Agree with all of your points except the last one, cos that depends where you are... !!
Most cheaper second hand EVs are Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoe - EVs retain a lot of their value at the moment.

 

[vickster]

Agree with all of your points except the last one, cos that depends where you are... !!
Most cheaper second hand EVs are Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoe - EVs retain a lot of their value at the moment.

True of course!
But those wouldn’t suit my needs. I like a small estate to take a bike easily in the boot (indeed the MG is too big, I did go to a local dealer to look at it).
All being well, I can’t see me switching car for 10 years…after all my 10 year old ICE has only done 32k if that
There appears to be no desire in the industry to produce a small E estate (Seat might have a hybrid Leon but still bigger than I need). I do not want an SUV!

 

[Alex321]

True of course!
But those wouldn’t suit my needs. I like a small estate to take a bike easily in the boot (indeed the MG is too big, I did go to a local dealer to look at it).
All being well, I can’t see me switching car for 10 years…after all my 10 year old ICE has only done 32k if that
There appears to be no desire in the industry to produce a small E estate (Seat might have a hybrid Leon but still bigger than I need). I do not want an SUV!

I would call the Skoda Enyaq a small e-estate, although they call it an SUV.

 

[vickster]

I would call the Skoda Enyaq a small e-estate, although they call it an SUV.

They look like a huge box!

 

[midlife]

Honestly I struggle to understand what issues people are still concerned about?

Couldn't buy an EV on my circa £3.5k budget so bought a Ford Ka...

 

[icowden]

There appears to be no desire in the industry to produce a small E estate (Seat might have a hybrid Leon but still bigger than I need). I do not want an SUV!

Seat are behind the curve and don't have an EV available. The ID4 is a reasonably sized estate, although not cheap. Skoda Enyak is bigger but a lot more expensive.

 

[icowden]

Couldn't buy an EV on my circa £3.5k budget so bought a Ford Ka...

Fair enough. It'll be a while before you can get a second hand EV for 3.5k unfortunately.

 

[icowden]

They look like a huge box!

They aren't quite as big as they look in the pictures. But they are big.

 

[vickster]

They aren't quite as big as they look in the pictures. But they are big.

They look huge on the road.
ID4 looks vast too, Passat sized?!

 

[vickster]

Seat are behind the curve and don't have an EV available. The ID4 is a reasonably sized estate, although not cheap. Skoda Enyak is bigger but a lot more expensive.

Indeed that’s why I noted hybrid.
Something like an E Golf might have worked but they’ve stopped those and the new gen are fugly as

 

[icowden]

They look huge on the road.
ID4 looks vast too, Passat sized?!

Passat is 4.7m, ID4 4.5m

 

[vickster]

Passat is 4.7m, ID4 4.5m

So yes then give or take 20cm
My Fabia is under 4.3m and I don't need anything longer and certainly not wider (car is under 1.5m)

 

[icowden]

So yes then give or take 20cm
My Fabia is under 4.3m and I don't need anything longer and certainly not wider (car is under 1.5m)

Maybe the ID3 then ? That's about that size. Or the Kia E-Nero, or Peugeot e2008?

 

[CharlesF]

There are two main issues slowing the take up. First is the perceived limitations on range. I know and you know that it isn't going to be a problem for most, but getting that message across isn't easy.

Second is the up front cost. Most families aren't buying new, and can't afford a premium of a few thousand pounds on their next 2nd hand car. Just to show one example, where there are petrol & electric versions of the same car. A 2020 Vauxhall Corsa comes in at around £13000 on Cinch. A 2020 Corsa-e is £24,000. Both with between 10k and 11K on the clock. There are cheaper deals on Autotrader, but they are still all several thousand more than the similar petrol models.

I would add a third reason:
Charging anxiety - will there be working charges on my long trip; will they be hogged by ICE or an EV that has finished charging; and how much extra time is added to my long trip.