Are we being forced to go electric?

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Milzy

Guru
NHS salary sacrifice reduces my pension and at my age I'd rather have the £135 quid a month as pension for the rest of my life lol

Tomorrow is promised to nobody. Also loads of people retire with good pensions & don’t spend half of it so just spoil the grand kids, give it away to their children as early inheritance. Go on boring unnecessary cruises, spend too much at the garden centres & tea rooms etc.
 

vickster

Squire
Ohhh yeah because that’s not unusual. 🙄

You may have kids who are new drivers?
Less than perfect financial or insurance history
9 points on your licence
All of the above...
No idea :scratch:
 
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CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
My Tesla is updating currently. Just checked the features. This one is interesting

Regenerative Braking
Tesla Regenerative Braking feature in update 2022.16.2
Only For Specific Hardware
Models:
3
Y
Availability TBD
Your vehicle can now automatically apply regular brakes for consistent deceleration when regenerative braking is limited due to battery temperature or state of charge. To enable, tap Controls > Pedals & Steering > Apply Brakes When Regenerative Braking Is Limited.

I won't be activating this feature, prefer to save brake material. ^_^
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
Bath, Birmingham, Bristol, Portsmouth are soon to introduce clean air zones. Expect many more in the next few years

Along with Bradford, yet guess what, they’re not charging car drivers, oh no it’s tradesman and couriers/delivery drivers being penalised, not the huge amount of cars blocking every road for miles around, small businesses being priced off the road because they can’t afford a Euro 6 compliant van, let alone an electric powered van with not enough range to complete their deliveries or work load, but clapped out old diesel cars can drive round with impunity polluting the city all day long
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Soon as the pollution levels are not falling-then private car/motorcycles that emit exhaust pollution will be added to the daily billing. At that point, expect a huge decline in ICE and another jump in EV users
 

Chislenko

Veteran
I have a Euro 6 Diesel and every charging zone I have entered my reg into it is exempt from charges.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
at the point it becomes less expensive the battery will be shot and it’ll end as an economic write off

You seem to have a very strange view of what happens to batteries.

AIUI, their performance decays gradually, but over a realistic car lifetime (say 1000 charges, 200,000 miles) they're not going to be "shot" but perhaps lose a % of range.

Whereas the complicated drive trains of ICE cars have all sorts of expensive failure modes.

Happy to see any facts that contradict this view.
 

Gillstay

Veteran
Used my first electric chainsaw on a tree job last month. Could not believe how good it was. Plus the secondary advantage's of not having to pull start it all day, etc, made up for the shortcomings. Roll on the future !
 

classic33

Leg End Member
You seem to have a very strange view of what happens to batteries.

AIUI, their performance decays gradually, but over a realistic car lifetime (say 1000 charges, 200,000 miles) they're not going to be "shot" but perhaps lose a % of range.

Whereas the complicated drive trains of ICE cars have all sorts of expensive failure modes.

Happy to see any facts that contradict this view.
Is that really a realistic life time, for a car these days?
 

DRM

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Location
West Yorks
You seem to have a very strange view of what happens to batteries.

AIUI, their performance decays gradually, but over a realistic car lifetime (say 1000 charges, 200,000 miles) they're not going to be "shot" but perhaps lose a % of range.

Whereas the complicated drive trains of ICE cars have all sorts of expensive failure modes.

Happy to see any facts that contradict this view.

No I don’t have a very strange view of what happens to either lead acid or Li-ion batteries, you can expect between 500 to 1000 full charges from a Li-ion battery, now if that EV has been a company car doing high mileage with let’s say a range of 180 miles real world driving as an average through winter & summer with heating or a/c on as required , along with lighting and in car entertainment being used, at 100,000 miles it’s had 555 full charges, so it will have started to degrade in available range, so consequently it has to be recharged more often, at lets say 4 years old when the car is returned to lease company and ends up on the used car forecourt you can see at best it’s used over half it’s expected life span, possibly even more, so as the range becomes less and less your using up the remaining lifespan even quicker, now as for complicated drive train on ICE’s , EV’s also have a reduction gear between the traction motor and the wheels, which can and do break, the car, particularly in the 4WD variants won’t have a differential, instead they rely on electronics to slow the drive to the inside wheel when cornering, the speed sensors and control ECU’s can fail, speed sensor bearings in traction motors can fail, resulting in the vehicle driving slowly and feeling like it’s literally shaking itself to bits, as can heat sensors, so the car thinks the motor is overheating, the A/C chopper box (the bit that turns DC battery power to A/C) can fail, generally losing one of the three phases to the motor is most common, it’s not fault free running electrical vehicles, all of the above will lead to huge repair bills, both in time consuming labour and expensive replacement parts
 
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