Are we being forced to go electric?

[CXRAndy]

E-Vito can only carry 807 kg, and will go for 162 miles, real world probably 120 miles, in contrast the comparable sized Toyota Proace with a Diesel engine will carry 1400 kg, and with a 69 litre tank will go 600 miles, it seems the E-Proace can carry 1200 kg and has a max range of 205 miles, real world I should think will be about 160, how Mercedes can make vans like that is beyond me.

But it's a diesel, they emit pollutants into people's lungs.

EV database for the Vito car are pretty accurate real world numbers. I never pay attention to wltp figure. EPA has reasobly reliable reported in numbers .

 

[mustang1]

But it's a diesel, they emit pollutants into people's lungs.

EV database for the Vito car are pretty accurate real world numbers. I never pay attention to wltp figure. EPA has reasobly reliable reported in numbers .

I get the WLTP figure and multiply it by 0.67 to get a low figure mileage, and 0.75 to get a high figure.

 

[CXRAndy]

I get the WLTP figure and multiply it by 0.67 to get a low figure mileage, and 0.75 to get a high figure.

Good advice, pretty much like ICE with their pie in the sky drive cycle laboratory 20 min test for real world MPG. My friends went to an event down south, they had luxury type cars. All were bleating that they only got 25-28mpg for a 200 mile trip.

I got 107e-mpg in my luxury Tesla

 

[Chislenko]

I got 107e-mpg in my luxury Tesla

View: https://youtu.be/FUX_6zIMVhQ

 

[DRM]

Are petrol sprinters made out of stainless steel or do they rust away too?

And where are you getting that range from ? You're just guessing.

I would have thought that if range was an issue it's worth servicing the battery packs for that many vehicles.

I don't know why you're not a billionaire what with knowing more about delivery fleets than Amazon do.

All Sprinters rust for fun, as vans go they are rubbish, it’s no good replacing a battery pack in a van that’s battered and rotten , hence they will not sell and end up as scrap, the reason why they get battered is because drivers are issued a different van everyday, they will as likely as such have around up to 200 parcels to deliver, the van isn’t important getting those deliveries done is, I DO know this because I’ve seen it put into practice, even worse treatment of the vehicles when they get temps in as well, those people really don’t care, so what’s your experience of transport and warehousing, seen as I know nothing?

 

[DRM]

But it's a diesel, they emit pollutants into people's lungs.

EV database for the Vito car are pretty accurate real world numbers. I never pay attention to wltp figure. EPA has reasobly reliable reported in numbers .

If you read what I wrote properly, the E-Proace has far superior carrying capacity and range, also has galvanized bodywork, so don’t dissolve like Merc vans do, for some industries the electric versions are no good and will have to stick with diesel vans, it’s as simple as that

 

[icowden]

All Sprinters rust for fun, as vans go they are rubbish, it’s no good replacing a battery pack in a van that’s battered and rotten , hence they will not sell and end up as scrap,

But you don't think that the battery will get re-used?

 

[gzoom]

As 'interesting' as arguing about vans are, I was out at 6am today in my PJs driving literally over the Atlantic, in our 5 year old EV.....

 

[Chislenko]

As 'interesting' as arguing about vans are, I was out at 6am today in my PJs driving literally over the Atlantic, in our EV.....

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Do you have to drive round with that big solar panel on the roof 😀😀

 

[gzoom]

Do you have to drive round with that big solar panel on the roof 😀😀

It's part of the advanced Autopilot feature, when the car detects some one is trying to take a photo, the doors open automatically .

 

[Chislenko]

It's part of the advanced Autopilot feature, when the car detects some one is trying to take a photo, the doors open automatically .

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Not knowing much about Tesla cars is it just the rear doors that open like that? Do the front ones open in a conventional way or do they go up and over?

Must admit after nigh on 50 years working in the motor trade I have very little interest in cars nowadays.

 

[fossyant]

Good advice, pretty much like ICE with their pie in the sky drive cycle laboratory 20 min test for real world MPG. My friends went to an event down south, they had luxury type cars. All were bleating that they only got 25-28mpg for a 200 mile trip.

I got 107e-mpg in my luxury Tesla

All idiots spending that much on a tin box, sorry ! Fools and money.

 

[fossyant]

Not knowing much about Tesla cars is it just the rear doors that open like that? Do the front ones open in a conventional way or do they go up and over?

Must admit after nigh on 50 years working in the motor trade I have very little interest in cars nowadays.

Just the SUV (aka stupid tank) has the gul wing doors. The other's normal doors. SUV, gul wing rears, normal front.

 

[vickster]

All idiots spending that much on a tin box, sorry ! Fools and money.

Bragging rights down the golf club
(And on a cycling forum )

 

[ClichéGuevara]

But you don't think that the battery will get re-used?

There's a few businesses that I have been to 'recycling' batteries. They crush them and then separate out the rarer metals for scrap, in a very crude, unenvironmentally friendly process.