Are we being forced to go electric?

[CXRAndy]

I bet a 400hp EV is no more environmentally friendly than a 150bhp ice...

How would you assess such a statement. Just because a vehicle has 400bhp on tap doesn't mean 400bhp is utilised.

My model S has over 600 bhp but I rarely unleash the full power. In fact my 150 mile round trip per day I average over 4 miles per kW.

That would point to running my car very conservatively.

Environmentally then would it be how much the vehicle pollutes whilst driven.?

 

[classic33]

I sense a slight undercurrent of dislike towards electric vehicles.

You might find EVs have many driver aids to improve safety for the occupants and pedestrians

But you can't replace the biggest danger/problem with any car. That being the self entitled driver who feels that because they've paid more(A fool and their money...), they have more right to be on the roads than anyone else.

I'd be questioning why the company building them, feels they need the driver distracting from actually driving the vehicle. Actually being aware of what is going on around, outside them.

 

[classic33]

How would you assess such a statement. Just because a vehicle has 400bhp on tap doesn't mean 400bhp is utilised.

My model S has over 600 bhp but I rarely unleash the full power. In fact my 150 mile round trip per day I average over 4 miles per kW.

That would point to running my car very conservatively.

Environmentally then would it be how much the vehicle pollutes whilst driven.?

Also how it's charged.
As in what was used to generate the electric in the first place.

 

[CXRAndy]

Also how it's charged.
As in what was used to generate the electric in the first place.

My tariffs are 100% renewable

I'm lucky to have space for 100kW solar system -planning permission granted

 

[CXRAndy]

But you can't replace the biggest danger/problem with any car. That being the self entitled driver who feels that because they've paid more(A fool and their money...), they have more right to be on the roads than anyone else.

I'd be questioning why the company building them, feels they need the driver distracting from actually driving the vehicle. Actually being aware of what is going on around, outside them.

That can be said for any driver regardless of what they drive.

You'll probably find the most 'entitled' drivers are the ones who have the most accidents -those are younger drivers

 

[Jameshow]

How would you assess such a statement. Just because a vehicle has 400bhp on tap doesn't mean 400bhp is utilised.

My model S has over 600 bhp but I rarely unleash the full power. In fact my 150 mile round trip per day I average over 4 miles per kW.

That would point to running my car very conservatively.

Environmentally then would it be how much the vehicle pollutes whilst driven.?

I had an acquaintance with an RS6 which used shed loads of fuel just piddling around, as did my xc90, I doubt electric cars are any different as the weight still has to be lugged around compared to a lighter ice. EV don't ignore he rules of physics!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I had an acquaintance with an RS6 which used shed loads of fuel just piddling around, as did my xc90, I doubt electric cars are any different as the weight still has to be lugged around compared to a lighter ice. EV don't ignore he rules of physics!

I think this is actually one of the fundamental differences. An ICE car (particularly a powerful one tuned for performance) burns lots of fuel even at very low power outputs. An EV doesn't, regardless of the power output at full load.

Unfortunately, this is exploited to give very heavy vehicles very rapid acceleration, which is inherently both antisocial and dangerous.

 

[Alex321]

I had an acquaintance with an RS6 which used shed loads of fuel just piddling around, as did my xc90, I doubt electric cars are any different as the weight still has to be lugged around compared to a lighter ice. EV don't ignore he rules of physics!

They don't, but they do have differences, in that the efficiency of an electric motor hardly varies across it's range of operation, compared to massive differences in the efficiency of an IC engine. Plus the fact that constantly slowing then accelerating wastes all the slowing energy with an ICE, while regenrative braking recovers quite a bit of it with an EV.

AIUI, EVs are MUCH more efficient for urban driving than ICEVs.

 

[cougie uk]

I had an acquaintance with an RS6 which used shed loads of fuel just piddling around, as did my xc90, I doubt electric cars are any different as the weight still has to be lugged around compared to a lighter ice. EV don't ignore he rules of physics!

I think that Andy is getting 4miles per kWh shows just how efficient his car is even if it has a huge maximum horsepower. He's getting more miles per kWh than I am in my much smaller EV. Aerodynamics I guess?

EVs are not like ICE.

 

[CXRAndy]

I had an acquaintance with an RS6 which used shed loads of fuel just piddling around, as did my xc90, I doubt electric cars are any different as the weight still has to be lugged around compared to a lighter ice. EV don't ignore he rules of physics!

Well your assertion is incorrect.

The slower you go in an electric car the greater efficiency

Eg

Model 3

City - Mild Weather	420 mi
Highway - Mild Weather	275 mi
Combined - Mild Weather	335 mi

Compared RS6

Fuel Economy Highway: 31 MPG UK

Fuel Economy - City: 17 MPG UK


I think you've asked these questions before.

EVs for urban driving are great and for city driving are fantastic.

They sit in slow moving traffic, not emitting pollution, their efficiency going sky-high, almost silent .

 

[Andy in Germany]

I sense a slight undercurrent of dislike towards electric vehicles.

You might find EVs have many driver aids to improve safety for the occupants and pedestrians

Those will be the 'aids' Tesla is describing in their manual when they say "The car could do the worst thing at the worst possible time so the driver muct be fuly alert".

 

[Andy in Germany]

saw an article somewhere about this with regards to good lorries , vev ones under current regs cant carry as much so you need more or increase the limit

This is probably one reason why the Tesla truck atill hasn't been delivered: they need to carry so much battery that their payload is smaller than an ICE truck.

We already have the technology to carry bulk freight long distances using Electricity. They're called trains.

 

[Andy in Germany]

HGVs do 99% road damage and wear. So increasing the van regs to accommodate a slightly heavier bracket is neither here or there

They do, except that in our village they account for 10% of traffic. If other vehicles are allowed to become heavier, as well as being more dangerous and using more power, they will collectively cause more damage, meaning roads will need repairing which means more oil will be needed to repair them.
ALso, as mentioned above the same 'solution' is being touted for HGV's, so they'll now cause more damage.

 

[classic33]

HGVs do 99% road damage and wear. So increasing the van regs to accommodate a slightly heavier bracket is neither here or there

https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/...m-and-its-damaging-more-than-the-environment/

 

[CXRAndy]

This is probably one reason why the Tesla truck atill hasn't been delivered: they need to carry so much battery that their payload is smaller than an ICE truck.

We already have the technology to carry bulk freight long distances using Electricity. They're called trains.

The Tesla semi is rated at 44,000lbs load carrying. Which is smack bang in the normal range of loads.

The biggest semi's can carry 80,000lbs, but these are very unusual loads compared to the 40,000lbs loads