Arrogant or just plain ignorant - ?

My son is an HGV driver and I asked him yesterday which sort of urban traffic aggravates him the most and without hesitating, he said ( this excluded the fruity explitives he used ) it's the the clods in lycra on fancy bikes because they bunch up and refuse to let him past, even when it's perfectly safe to do so.
When you're driving an HGV, it's always safe to overtake a cyclist.

While I don't have the stats handy, I'd hazard a guess that the number of HGV drivers killed by bicycles since the dawn of history is precisely zero.
 

Slick

Guru
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Said drivers are under constant pressure from timetables, delivery / collection schedules, expectations of their managers and customers, tacographs, traffic issues, road works, diversions, rules and regulations of the road etc., etc..
The only thing a group of roadies have to worry about is whether they're going to beat last weeks timing for their chosen route - !
So what is their problem of going single file for a shortish distance to let an HGV / bus past, even when the conditions are perfectly safe to do so - ?
Said drivers are working, the roadies are not.
I was an HGV driver for sixteen years ( can anyone of the cycling bias boast similar - ? If you can't, then your view is completely one sided ). One of the reasons I packed it in was because of traffic conditions; including cycle groups who flatly refused to go single file when it would be much appreciated.
My son is an HGV driver and I asked him yesterday which sort of urban traffic aggravates him the most and without hesitating, he said ( this excluded the fruity explitives he used ) it's the the clods in lycra on fancy bikes because they bunch up and refuse to let him past, even when it's perfectly safe to do so.
So, unless you've similar experience of the issues faced by HGV / bus drivers, go figure.
Owner driver here for a number of years but I don't recognise any of what you say. I also wonder if you would have passed your test if you shared your prejudices with your examiner? Although looking at the general standard on display of driving ability, you would probably qualify for the advanced course.
 

icowden

Über Member
Location
Surrey
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Well no, because you keep contradicting yourself and changing the description.
  • Is it hard to pass or easy?
  • Were the cyclists travelling at 5mph uphill, 20 mph on the flat or 30mph downhill?
  • How long was the potential delay?
  • Was it safer for the cyclists to remain in front?
  • Where did the cycle land come from and is it real? Which road is it (Norwich has a lot of them)?
  • DId you just want to rant about lycra clad road cyclists?
  • If so, you do realise that this is a form where many of them hang out?
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DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Said drivers are under constant pressure from timetables, delivery / collection schedules, expectations of their managers and customers, tacographs, traffic issues, road works, diversions, rules and regulations of the road etc., etc..
The only thing a group of roadies have to worry about is whether they're going to beat last weeks timing for their chosen route - !
So what is their problem of going single file for a shortish distance to let an HGV / bus past, even when the conditions are perfectly safe to do so - ?
Said drivers are working, the roadies are not.
I was an HGV driver for sixteen years ( can anyone of the cycling bias boast similar - ? If you can't, then your view is completely one sided ). One of the reasons I packed it in was because of traffic conditions; including cycle groups who flatly refused to go single file when it would be much appreciated.
My son is an HGV driver and I asked him yesterday which sort of urban traffic aggravates him the most and without hesitating, he said ( this excluded the fruity explitives he used ) it's the the clods in lycra on fancy bikes because they bunch up and refuse to let him past, even when it's perfectly safe to do so.
So, unless you've similar experience of the issues faced by HGV / bus drivers, go figure.
So using that argument, all HGV’s should get out of my way when at work, because my van goes faster and I have lots to do, they shouldn’t block the A1 by starting to overtake at Newcastle, and managing to get past by Darlington, that’s just cobblers, as is what you wrote
 

Alex321

Well-Known Member
Location
South Wales
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Said drivers are under constant pressure from timetables, delivery / collection schedules, expectations of their managers and customers, tacographs, traffic issues, road works, diversions, rules and regulations of the road etc., etc..
That doesn't absolve them from the requirements to drive safely.

The only thing a group of roadies have to worry about is whether they're going to beat last weeks timing for their chosen route - !
So what?

So what is their problem of going single file for a shortish distance to let an HGV / bus past, even when the conditions are perfectly safe to do so?
Nobody here has suggested they might.

You said, in the very first post here that it was a road on which it is "difficult to overtake".

In that circumstance, it is NOT "perfectly safe" to do so. It makes it far more likely that drivers will try to squeeze past where there isn't really room.

Said drivers are working, the roadies are not.
Totally irrelevant., They have just as much right to be on the road.[/quote]
 
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boydj

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Location
Paisley
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Said drivers are under constant pressure from timetables, delivery / collection schedules, expectations of their managers and customers, tacographs, traffic issues, road works, diversions, rules and regulations of the road etc., etc..
The only thing a group of roadies have to worry about is whether they're going to beat last weeks timing for their chosen route - !
So what is their problem of going single file for a shortish distance to let an HGV / bus past, even when the conditions are perfectly safe to do so - ?
Said drivers are working, the roadies are not.
I was an HGV driver for sixteen years ( can anyone of the cycling bias boast similar - ? If you can't, then your view is completely one sided ). One of the reasons I packed it in was because of traffic conditions; including cycle groups who flatly refused to go single file when it would be much appreciated.
My son is an HGV driver and I asked him yesterday which sort of urban traffic aggravates him the most and without hesitating, he said ( this excluded the fruity explitives he used ) it's the the clods in lycra on fancy bikes because they bunch up and refuse to let him past, even when it's perfectly safe to do so.
So, unless you've similar experience of the issues faced by HGV / bus drivers, go figure.
That only works if the road is wide enough to overtake a single cyclist safely without going into the opposite lane. The OP is about a road that is difficult to overtake on. The riders were on the road for only a few minutes so nobody was badly inconvenienced.

For a cyclist you seem to be lacking knowledge that singling up on a road like that is an invitation for dangerously close passes. Not singling up is good defensive cycling.

The reality is that larger cycling groups are encountered very rarely and then usually at the weekend. They have every right to be on the road and professional drivers know this and the vast majority, in my opinion, respect this and wait patiently for a safe overtaking opportunity. The idea that cyclists refuse to let a HGV past is nonsense and in an urban setting just would not happen.
 

davidphilips

Veteran
Location
Onabike
What is so interesting about the enraged cycle biased responses to this thread is that NO - ONE has looked at it from an HGV / bus driver's point.
Said drivers are under constant pressure from timetables, delivery / collection schedules, expectations of their managers and customers, tacographs, traffic issues, road works, diversions, rules and regulations of the road etc., etc..
The only thing a group of roadies have to worry about is whether they're going to beat last weeks timing for their chosen route - !
So what is their problem of going single file for a shortish distance to let an HGV / bus past, even when the conditions are perfectly safe to do so - ?
Said drivers are working, the roadies are not.
I was an HGV driver for sixteen years ( can anyone of the cycling bias boast similar - ? If you can't, then your view is completely one sided ). One of the reasons I packed it in was because of traffic conditions; including cycle groups who flatly refused to go single file when it would be much appreciated.
My son is an HGV driver and I asked him yesterday which sort of urban traffic aggravates him the most and without hesitating, he said ( this excluded the fruity explitives he used ) it's the the clods in lycra on fancy bikes because they bunch up and refuse to let him past, even when it's perfectly safe to do so.
So, unless you've similar experience of the issues faced by HGV / bus drivers, go figure.
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Yes worked as a Class 1 driver but still dont agree with either your or your sons views on the cyclists .My take on it is if driving a car/bus hgv whatever and feel under pressure because of a cyclist then its time to stop driving as its only a mater of time before you cause an accident.
As for calling a cyclists clods because they wear lycra and have fancy bikes? Think its not the as you say (roadies were riding two abreast) that have an issue?
 

neil_merseyside

Veteran
Location
Wirral
Saying all cyclists are clods rather proves my suspicion you had been sent as a sleeper agent. I mistakenly thought you came from the petrol head nutjob camp but LGV is close enough in bile spouting.
You need anger management classes if folk enjoying themselves bother you even now in retirement.
Get back under your bridge.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
Well no, because you keep contradicting yourself and changing the description.
  • Is it hard to pass or easy?
  • Were the cyclists travelling at 5mph uphill, 20 mph on the flat or 30mph downhill?
  • How long was the potential delay?
  • Was it safer for the cyclists to remain in front?
  • Where did the cycle land come from and is it real? Which road is it (Norwich has a lot of them)?
  • DId you just want to rant about lycra clad road cyclists?
  • If so, you do realise that this is a form where many of them hang out?
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@simongt Please answer all of @icowden ’s points above. In particular please provide a google map link to the exact location this occurred. Many thanks in advance.
 
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