Audax: Free controls

Discussion in 'Audax, Brevet and Randonnee' started by Dogtrousers, 7 Jun 2017.

  1. Banjo

    Banjo Fuelled with Jelly Babies

    Location:
    South Wales
    Common sense is applied and controls are there to enable riders to prove they have done the route but without needing the level of proof required to convict a murderer for example.
     
  2. Nuncio

    Nuncio Über Member

    Shame.
    - I have an alibi for my wife's murder. That brevet card shows that at the time of her murder in Carmarthen, I was recording the distance on the signpost to Llanarthne at Porthyrhyd as 3 miles.
    - It's true sarge, I'll take the cuffs off
     
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  3. Banjo

    Banjo Fuelled with Jelly Babies

    Location:
    South Wales
    Bit suspicious that you didn't go in the pub for a pint though.....
     
  4. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member

    I've been looking at this ride since you started @wicker man but please have a care for those of us who don't see colours properly
     
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  5. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Phone apps (which is my current method, not that it stops some people on here insisting pink is purple or whatever it was), camera, ask someone, or simply note what it could be? There's not really a perfect solution to that.
     
  6. Siclo

    Siclo Senior Member

    The perfect solution is don't use info's that rely on colour, particularly 'What colour is the barn at the far end end of the field on the left of the T junction?' when its a foggy day and vis is down to 20 metres and the barn is 200 metres away, but yes generally I take photo's of info's to avoid messing about with brevet cards and pencils at the roadside.
     
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  7. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Location:
    The Red Enclave
    I've subsequently tweaked the route slightly which has meant changing the location of one of the info controls. But guess what... the new info control has exactly the same question! Again, the answer will be obvious as you ride past without stopping. I'm going to have to be more inventive if I run the event again next year.

    I aspire to getting rid of info controls altogether but it's difficult to do that in Kent. I find when devising routes that the 'shortest' distance would often entail using roads that no sane person would want to ride, so you have to add infos to ensure riders take the more scenic option as intended. By contrast, if you go to Scotland, the shortest route is often the only route, so it's easier to keep the number of controls down.
     
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  8. smutchin

    smutchin Cat 6 Racer

    Location:
    The Red Enclave
    One of the info control questions on a 600 I did was the colour of the front door on a house near a particular junction. Unfortunately, what the organiser had failed to consider was that it was an unlit country lane and most riders would be passing through that spot in the middle of the night...
     
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  9. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Yeah, that's a perfect solution for those of who have problems with colour, but all info controls cause problems for someone, don't they? The common ones where you have to read things off signs can make things hard for dyslexics (as well as usually being trivial to discover at the start), while ones inside a gate can frustrate the less agile rider.
     
  10. twentysix by twentyfive

    twentysix by twentyfive Clinging on tightly

    Location:
    Over the Hill
    Unobtainium :laugh:
     
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  11. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Veteran

    Location:
    Mars
    The cycle gate scandal
     
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  12. Big T

    Big T Über Member

    Location:
    Nottingham
    I like free controls. The problem with a designated control at a cafe, is that it's usually packed by the time you get there and it takes ages to get served with your food. I know it's not a race, but I don't want to spend 45 mins waiting for and eating food in a cafe. I've ridden audaxes where there was a free control in a small town and you could spread yourselves between the 3 or 4 cafes in the town, or, if you wanted to, just get a balance enquiriy from a cash machine and carry on. Not everyone wants 2 cafes in a 100k audax, or 3 or 4 in a 200k.

    Info controls involving mileages on signposts are pretty unambiguous, as are name the pub in a village (provided there's only one). Ambiguous ones I've come across include naming the burglar alarm on a house (there were several houses and several alarms), name the supermarket on the left as you pass through the town (there was a Lidl, a Tesco and a Morrisons with half a mile).
     
    Last edited: 8 Nov 2017
  13. Was that WCW? Because the problem was slightly worse - you couldn't have shone your light on the door to see the colour, because it had a window in it! I wonder how many riders shone a light thru their front door?
     
  14. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Yes, it's back with series 2, even though it's about 5 years since series 1 - does it feature an Audax? Will the BBC be showing it like the first one?
     
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