Baffling City of London Police garbage.

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by spindrift, 17 Oct 2007.

  1. spindrift

    spindrift New Member

    Sorry for length:

    It's kicking off on the LCC emails...

    The cops email:


    This report refers to the completion of the Snow Hill Neighbourhood
    policing Team cycle road safety enforcement campaign called op CUB .
    The op was run between 0730-0930 and 1600-1800 daily between Monday
    8th – Friday 12th October 2007.

    The main focus was on 4 Hotspot Public road locations, Holborn
    Circus, Ludgate Circus, Aldersgate Street and Newgate Street Police
    officers were deployed to the above locations between the relevant
    times as they could deal with all offences committed on a public road.

    The other focus was cycling on footway occurrences at the following
    Hotspot locations, Grand Avenue, Moorfields and Millennium Bridge.
    PCSO's and some police officers were deployed to the above locations
    between the relevant times they have been given powers to stop
    cyclists committing footway offences.

    Op CUB was a two pronged approached. One side being the road safety
    awareness and enforcement campaign the other being the checking of
    cycle frame numbers and the promotion of the Immobilise database.

    The following points were raised as a result of the operation de
    brief. To run the operation one day over either a 5 week period as
    the feedback from the staff engaged in the operation thought that due
    to the initial highly visible presence within the first few day
    greatly reduced the amount of cyclists committing offences thus
    having a short term impact where as the feeling is if this was spread
    out over a 5 week period it might have more of a longer term impact.

    The second point to come out of the de-brief was in relation to the
    Grand Avenue location. City Police and the market constables need to
    have a more of a partnership approach to cyclists committing offences
    at the location. The main issue is:

    In Grand Avenue the enforceable signs are the two red circles on
    white background at each side of both ends of the road. Those signs
    mean 'No vehicles' which includes bicycles, and also applies to all
    the other (market?) vehicles in the road. The offence of passing
    those signs is decriminalized with regard to motor vehicles, but is
    still a criminal offence (FPN) with regard to cyclists. Grand Avenue
    is also on the TFL cycle map as a route where cyclist should dismount
    and walk. Of course cyclists generally cycle on the footway to pass
    the barrier to enter Grand Avenue, which would be more effective for

    After liaison with the market constables it was decided that the most
    effective and balanced approach to dealing with cyclists cycling
    through Grand Avenue was for PCSO's to deploy either end of the site
    where the market constables would be located at the closed barriers
    asking cyclists to dismount. If cyclists continued and cycled on the
    footway PCSO's would attempt to stop the offending cyclists and deal
    with this matter by way of enforcement.

    Between 0800-0900 hourson Tuesday 25th September 2007 a survey was
    carried out at Ludgate circus which showed 54 offences committed by
    cyclists. By comparison between 0745-0845 hours on Monday 15th
    October 2007 another survey was carried out at Ludgate circus which
    showed 34 offences committed by cyclists.

    This shows a 37 % decrease in the amount of offences being committed
    at the location showing that the operation has had a marked and
    positive impact.

    In all 243 Non-Endorsable Fixed Penalty Notices (NEFPN's) of £30 were
    issued along with 19 verbal warnings, 163 stop checks were carried
    out and 2 arrests were made. One for wanted on an outstanding warrant
    and one for sus-theft of a bicycle.


    Now that the winter evenings are drawing in it had come to the notice
    of officers that there is a sizeable proportion of cyclists that are
    cycling without lights on their bicycles. In the past we have run an
    operation where cyclists were issued NEFPN's for having no lights on
    their cycles. Offenders were given the option of electing to join a
    scheme where their tickets were revoked if they returned to Snow Hill
    Police Station within two weeks with proof of purchase of cycle
    lights. We are looking to run a similar operation in the near future.
    This is to encourage cyclists to conform to the law and be more
    conspicuous to other road users. We would welcome any
    comments/feedback you may have on this proposed operation.


    My reply:

    City of London Police antipathy toward cyclists The City has the worst fatality rate for cyclists anywhere in the UK

    (2) The City has about a tenth of all of London's cyclist fatalities
    every year - about 2 out of 20 - while only making up a thousandth of
    the capital's area. According to Transport for London, the capital has
    by far the worst road safety record in the UK.

    City Police issue more Fixed Penalty Notices to cyclists than any
    other police force despite being the smallest.

    But they have never prosecuted or issued any FPNs to drivers obstructing cycle lanes or Advanced Stop Lines.

    Senior police say it's simply up to the discretion of the officer at the scene. We say their discretion is in fact discrimination and it seems they're going for 'easy pickings' to reach their targets for fining cyclists. Many cyclists were pleased to see City Police get back on their bikes but now these feelings have changed dramatically as the new units' main task is to harrass cyclists.

    City Cyclist

    This is a disgrace, it's clear the cops are discriminatory to cyclists
    whilst letting drivers off all over the place.

    Here's the latest:
    Between Monday 8th and Sunday 14th October the City of London Police
    will again be running a campaign to "promote safer cycling in the

    The key message is around staying safe, which means the police will
    not only focus on cyclists but also on drivers. Where drivers fail to
    observe the advance stop line at automatic traffic signals, they will
    be given educational leaflets pointing out the offence.

    The City of London Police will also be targeting four 'hotspot'
    junctions to enforce traffic regulations.

    Cyclists get fined, drivers get handed a little piece of paper, way to go guys.
  2. OP

    spindrift New Member

    Ralph's response:

    The posting by City Police has provoked a record six responses to this list
    within half an hour, none of them positive, to put it mildly.

    While asking the City Police in an open email if they could explain the
    locations chosen, we are simply told they have targetted "4 Hotspot Public
    road locations". Statistics show that cyclists are not to blame for about
    75% of collisions they are involved in, further that most collisions don't
    involve cyclists. Are these locations where there are high levels of
    contraventions by cyclists, complaints by certain influential City VIPs or
    actually locations where there is a _casual link_ between cyclist
    violations and collisions?

    While the City Police claimed previously this enforcement was about
    targetting all road offences and in the email below the aim is stated as
    to "deal with all offences committed on a public road", all the figures
    cited by the police relate to offences of people cycling _only_. Indeed if
    their statements are to be believed then the only offences at
    the 'hotspots' were carried out by cyclists: "This shows a 37 % decrease in
    the amount of offences being committed at the location showing that the
    operation has had a marked and positive impact."

    Given the response the City Police have faced at the City Cycle Forum,
    posting these figures to the cycling community without saying anything
    about enforcement against drivers is obviously going to provoke a strongly
    negative response and damage community relations. Further I feel as if I
    and City Cyclists have been seriously misled about this operation.

    In relation to Grand Avenue the prohibition on cycling here is unjustifiable
    but City Cyclists have been unable to change it due to the influence of a
    few City VIPs. How can City Police say this is for safety when the only
    collision involving a member of their cycle squad (at least that I'm aware
    of) was riding round Smithfield, the very route people cycling along Grand
    Avenue are trying to avoid? In any event riding in the middle of Grand
    Avenue is not a footway offence so some cyclists may want to check the
    validity of their tickets.

    In relation to Moorfields there is the same problem with someone in the City
    being against this. It makes no sense as there is explicit provision to
    cycle on the narrower sections of pedestrian area either side of this.
    Further Moorgate itself - the alternative route - has a particularly poor
    safety record for cyclists. However the City of London have been unable to
    confirm the legal status of the wide section - as pointed out to the City
    Police in an email they decided to ignore - so again tickets are of dubious

    To end of the positive side, the proposal to have conditional penalties for
    those without lights sounds a reasonable one, the only problem is where a
    cyclist who has mistakenly left their lights at home one day is expected to
    buy new ones rather than show that their existing lights do attach to the
    brackets on their bikes.

    Further the promotion of the immobilise database should be supported but
    there needs to be more targetting of cycle thieves, speaking as surely the
    only LCC member to have defended bike thieves in the City Magistrates court
    (*blush*, I blame the barristers' 'cab rank' rule).

    The presence of City Police indeed wider issues about this list should be
    discussed at our forthcoming meeting which has now been postponed to 7
    November at 6.15pm at the LCC offices: if you're interested in coming
    and/or find this time inconvenient please email me urgently before I
    announce it formally.

    All in all while dialogue is generally good, in their first forray into the
    LCC the City Police has been handled particularly badly if not stupidly.
    If anything the gulf between the City Police and the people cycling in or
    through the City has widened: this is hardly going to help make the City's
    streets any safer.


  3. OP

    spindrift New Member

    Lukowmski killed, crushed to death, and the City Of London Police are told to issue free leaflets to drivers but fine cyclists for the same offence. Are cyclists deaths a joke but drivers' transgressions worthy of a nod and a wink and a promise not to do it again?
  4. Jacomus-rides-Gen

    Jacomus-rides-Gen New Member

    Guildford / London
  5. Cab

    Cab New Member

    I agree. With respect though, you're among (mostly) like minded cyclists here, you don't need to be quite so forthright with us.
  6. OP

    spindrift New Member

    Apologies Cab, thankfully Bonj's foul, contemptible comment that the above was directed at has been deleted.

    Apologies for getting a bit emotional.
  7. DP

    DP Chasse patate

    As you well know Spindrift, these are "otherwise law-abiding citizens", yada, yada, yada....
  8. OP

    spindrift New Member

    Maz, I'll give the same advice to you as to Bonj, if cyclists' deaths bore you then find another thread to post on please, Emma Foa deserves more than your hilarious yawning.

    Some more responses:

    I do hope that there can be further dialogue and understanding;
    perhaps looking at fairness and enforcement/cost monitoring would
    assist all?

    I rub my eyes in disbelief – have City Police nothing better to do with
    their time, eg control motorists’ behaviour? Can it really be true that a
    cyclist is committing a criminal offence by pedaling through Grand Avenue,
    whereas a motorist doing the same is not?
    It’s like Alice through the looking glass!

    Thank you for the up date & the warnings. Will you also with the same amount of interest in force the green box issue (advanced stop lines) that nearly every motorist is unaware of in the UK, as many London drivers don't seam to know it's aim.

    Please remove me from this group. I am not interested to hear how the police are cracking down on cyclists.
    Why don't you concentrate on serious problems like those causing death and serious injury, congestion, pollution and environmental damage.
    Every day cycling on the roads of London I have to put up with bullying,
    abuse and downright dangerous driving from motor vehicle drivers, why don't you do something useful and crack down on these people instead of wasting your time and mine?
    Thanks and regards,

    Subject: Re: Police Operation CUB hotdog654321

    While I understand that cyclists must obey the rules of the road, I
    would like to know if Operation CUB enforced the rules about motor
    vehicles stopping in ASLs which forces cyclists into dangerous
    situations. How many tickets for this offence were issued? Moreover,
    how many motorists have been sanctioned for parking on cycle paths?
    Regards, John

  9. Maz

    Maz Legendary Member

    Removed. Who's Emma Foa and what's she got to do with all of the above?
  10. OP

    spindrift New Member

    Emma Foa was crushed to death by a lorry driver in Kings Cross who was rummaging for paper work on the floor of his cab. The driver kept his licence and was fined £300.

    £100 is the fine the City Of London Police are going to fine cyclists.

    I think this is inequitable. One person every four years is killed by a cyclist on the pavement.

    WTF are the cops thinking of?

    This makes me furious, obviously a piss easy way for the cops to bump their statistics up.

    Fine cyclists on the pavement- fine! No problem! Do it!

    But apply the law across the board, don't hand out bits of advisory leaflets to drivers then fine cyclists for the same offence!
  11. Maz

    Maz Legendary Member

    Excuse my ignorance. Where was she riding relative to the truck when she was crushed?
  12. domtyler

    domtyler Über Member

    I think it is fairly safe to assume that the "Snow Hill Neighbourhood
    Policing Team Cycle Road Safety Enforcement Campaign" is looking after the best interests of City of London cyclists in the same manner as the Nazi Death Squads in the early 1940s looked after the best interests of the European Jewish population.
  13. jonathan ellis

    jonathan ellis Well-Known Member

    I wish to complain
    who do I write to?
    gimme an email could ya
  14. Maz

    Maz Legendary Member

    Try I am, completely, by this thread.
  15. OP

    spindrift New Member

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