BBC helmet cam film to explore cyclist-motorist conflict

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An interesting programme and reasonably balanced I thought although I have to agree with the manner in which Gaz and Traffic Droid were portrayed. Neither came across very well and for those who don't have the benefit of knowing them in real life, first impressions were not favourable.

However, that issue aside, if the programme raises awareness and leads to just one cyclist being saved from death or injury then it will have been a success.
 
My wife is a non cyclist and watched this to see what i get up to on a daily basis. In her view, some of the cyclists came across as vigilante aggressors which made the motorists' behaviour more understandable, though not excusable.

Overall she felt cyclists' in general came out of it very poorly, a miltant gobby lot demanding more than they gave. The programme also did nothing to dispel the fears the missus has for me on my daily commute.

In some ways I wish the thing hadn't been made/aired as it doesn't take cyclists's interests any further forward and may well have swayed some hitherto "neutral" drivers that we are all a bunch of to$$ers.
 

Leodis

Veteran
Location
Moortown, Leeds
It wasnt too bad a program. Gaz at the start did come across like a nob after the driver walked away, that aside over the past year I have learnt a lot from Gaz's vids and hope he keeps up the good work on them. Watching Gaz's video you can see the progression he has made, from the taxi driver to a more mature approach.

Traffic Droid was funny, was it him who got knocked off by the women driver who didnt see him under her wheels and just kept driving? The video at the start of the program?

It is shocking that it takes a cyclist to be assualted and then have to post it on YT for the police to do anything.

I think it was locker who had the funniest video with the women on the mobile who pulls out on him "daft tart" lmao...
 

asterix

Comrade Member
Location
Limoges or York
Haven't watched it yet, maybe I won't! I think it probably presented most road users as toss3ers.

But I rather enjoyed my last ride in London - Kings X to Croydon and back on a Brompton. In Brixton some yoofs tried to intimidate me by jumping out but soon jumped back in. On the return trip an accident bought all the cars to a grinding halt for a few miles which didn't stop me and when I reached Trafalgar square I found it very hard to get through all the stationary buses but managed it eventually. Plenty of scope for conflict, I thought.
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
I think Gaz came out ok, could have been worse, I am sure it could have been a lot better. I felt some empathy with Gaz and his actions leading up to the confrontation with the Silver Cab, he had witnessed the close passes and I felt his cycling post viewing the Cab nearly clip the two cyclists in the cycle lane showed he was a bit angry even before the Cab did the same to him. Part of his reaction after he was close passed was due to the overall shoot driving by the Cab prior to his own (predictable?) close pass.

Bit out of his depth when the Cabby leapt out though and felt the hand clapping was a sign of relief! My advice remains, either leap on the pavement and cycle the opposite direction or leap off your bike to stand your ground. Straddled over your top tube in the kerb is not where you want to be with a fast approaching angry face!

The main danger on the streets of London for me would be the ability to constantly catch up with the close passers and cut up merchants.

I felt quite sorry for TrafficDroid in the end clearly the accident 3 years ago is constantly in his mind when he is on his bike, explains quite a bit about his strange wanna be Policeman behaviour, almost wears it like invisable armour.

Did no one else find it ironic the copper on a bike with no blue lights no siren leaping across oncoming traffic in "pursuit" of a motorbike? What would have happend to the poor sod in the white car if he had wiped him out? What was the motorbike doing, I am no criminal in waiting but pretty sure I could have out run a Hybrid.

Thought it was brillant that that mother that has saved lives, hope her onward campaign is just as successful.

One final point, much the same as the Croydon Tram lady shown on phone cam made people think twice about public outbursts, I rather hope the cycle cammers are in motorists minds before they cut a cyclist up or leap out of their car in the future.
 
It is shocking that it takes a cyclist to be assualted and then have to post it on YT for the police to do anything.

Do people only hear what their preconceptions are?

In this case, the police visited the owner of the car - it wasn't the assaulted male and they wouldn't name him. That much was said on the program. Pretty hard to trace him at that point.

When they uploaded the video and it went 'viral' the driver, fearing being recognised, handed himself in and the police reopened the case and charged him.

How is this doing nothing? I know there are cases where we are crap, but this isn't one of them - we can't magic up offenders details from thin air.
 
Did no one else find it ironic the copper on a bike with no blue lights no siren leaping across oncoming traffic in "pursuit" of a motorbike? What would have happend to the poor sod in the white car if he had wiped him out? What was the motorbike doing, I am no criminal in waiting but pretty sure I could have out run a Hybrid.

Yes, you weren't the only one who thought that!

The officer didn't come across well tbh. Especially not from a cyclist side, with the incident with the taxi. Why he openly took the taxis side and worse, stereotyped "yeah I know what they are like" I don't know.
 

Leodis

Veteran
Location
Moortown, Leeds
In this case, the police visited the owner of the car - it wasn't the assaulted male and they wouldn't name him. That much was said on the program. Pretty hard to trace him at that point.

As a non-driver is seems odd that someone can own a vehicle and let anyone drive it (dangerously in this case) and not be responsible.

Since I am from Yorkshire its not shocking with have preconceptions of the police after recent events and highlights.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
She probably expected not to be twatted from behind by some idiot hurtling along like a complete tit, when she's ambling along a path. It's to his credit that he says he's learnt from it, but it's absolutely disgraceful cycling.


Indeed, and let's not forget the original name of Taypet's vid was the charming 'Fat Black Mamma'.
 
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It wasnt too bad a program. Gaz at the start did come across like a nob after the driver walked away, that aside over the past year I have learnt a lot from Gaz's vids and hope he keeps up the good work on them. Watching Gaz's video you can see the progression he has made, from the taxi driver to a more mature approach.

Traffic Droid was funny, was it him who got knocked off by the women driver who didnt see him under her wheels and just kept driving? The video at the start of the program?

It is shocking that it takes a cyclist to be assualted and then have to post it on YT for the police to do anything.

I think it was locker who had the funniest video with the women on the mobile who pulls out on him "daft tart" lmao...

No. It wasn't him.
 
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