fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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It's not too bad after a bottle of wine. The missus even watched it.
BBC helmet cam film to explore cyclist-motorist conflict
- Thread starter Mr Haematocrit
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Mushroomgodmat
Über Member
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- Norwich
Oh great....the circle of hate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=rss&ns_campaign=socialnet-twitter-mailonline
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=rss&ns_campaign=socialnet-twitter-mailonline
growingvegetables
Guru
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- Leeds
By one Steve Nolan, perhaps?
Hmmm - Nosweat Journalism Training "ordered to compensate a former student after admitting four offences of unfair trading."
Methinks a "reporter" with "a conscientious approach, and high standard of integrity" might just have sussed his own idiocy.
I kid you not - that's cut-and-paste from the guy's Linkedin profile - with a few bolds from me.
Hmmm - Nosweat Journalism Training "ordered to compensate a former student after admitting four offences of unfair trading."
Methinks a "reporter" with "a conscientious approach, and high standard of integrity" might just have sussed his own idiocy.
Oh my.
Well, it just kinda feels the documentary has added a bit more fuel to the ever growing fire.
Bassjunkieuk
Veteran
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- London
Really should know better then to follow links to the Daily Wail. Disgusting attitudes but then it's become the norm to hate cycists and it wasn't help by the way the programme completely failed to explain why cyclists adopt primary and Gazs comments I feel where edited in a poor light in regards to it. I really doubt many of those people would carry out their threats but the very fact some might is precisely why we feel the need to ride like that, it's not antagonistic - it's for our own safety!
snapper_37
Barbara Woodhouse's Love Child
- Location
- Wolves
Watched it last night with MOH. Thought it was well balanced, generally a good doc and Gaz, Mags and Simon came across well. Didn't take to the 'droid' to be fair. People critisizing should have a go themselves. Editing to suit a cause by the media is well known. A friend of mine was in a documentary and also had a piece in one of the 'I Married my Husband but Now She is My Wife!!!' mags (Take a Break or something equally dire) a few years ago. She's gay but they made out she was pink and girly and couldn't wait to meet the right man.
MOH had to cover her face at Mag's very close call and said she now felt even more nervous about me commuting
There was NO way I was getting away with cycling in today, especially given the black ice. Since I nearly skidded into someones BMW X1 on the carpark, I'm glad I didn't.
MOH had to cover her face at Mag's very close call and said she now felt even more nervous about me commuting
There was NO way I was getting away with cycling in today, especially given the black ice. Since I nearly skidded into someones BMW X1 on the carpark, I'm glad I didn't.
grumpyoldgit
Über Member
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- Surrey
Bassjunkieuk
Veteran
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- London
I'm guessing you actually watched it and listened to the comments from Gaz? Firstly I can understand why Gaz reacted as he did, the taxi driver DID put Gaz in danger. I'd also hardly say he chased after the guy as after the incident the light was red so everyone had to wait and he just carried on with the argument. If your referring to before the main argument where it first shows the passes from the driver (on I believe Vauxhall Bridge road, approx 2 or so from the main altercation) then you clearly don't ride in London during the rush hour that much as it's quite easy to maintain or even pass drivers, especially given his speed.
At the end though Gaz did admit he over-reacted and played up to the crowd with the clapping and yelling of "mug". Unfortunately the non-cycling public won't/will most likely never understand how it feels as a vulnerable road users to have large metal objects pass you at speed and appear to be trying to run you over. As a previous commenter said anger when ones safety is threatened is a natural "fight or flight" style response.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
Sorry, but Gaz did NOT come across well. The camera angle for a start!
edit - and was the taxi driver incident the best example to start a proramme like this with?
edit - and was the taxi driver incident the best example to start a proramme like this with?
grumpyoldgit
Über Member
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- Surrey
Funny how I respond to Gaz,& one of his sycophants always chimes in.
What a pointless article. Highlighting the ignorance of twitter users without saying "look at these numpties" Why give them a broader audience for their mindless hatred?!
Gaz, I hope you're ok.
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Mr Haematocrit
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Think some people are missing a major point here, no matter what your view is on the program it seems to have become a topic of discussion and debate between cyclists and motorists alike. This increases awareness and understanding.
I'm not so sure this program would be the subject of such passionate debate if it presented a truely balanced documentary.
If you hoped for balanced reporting, you have a right to be disappointed. If you hoped the show changed things, it has as the subject is in the front of peoples minds at the moment and motorists and similar are debating cycling.
I fail to see why Gaz and others are being given a hard time, they are all simply trying to help change things, as the old saying goes.... try to do the right thing, if this is not possible do the wrong thing as its always better than doing nothing.
Video footage is helping change attitudes and I thank all who post it in the attempts to question what is happening on our roads.
I'm not so sure this program would be the subject of such passionate debate if it presented a truely balanced documentary.
If you hoped for balanced reporting, you have a right to be disappointed. If you hoped the show changed things, it has as the subject is in the front of peoples minds at the moment and motorists and similar are debating cycling.
I fail to see why Gaz and others are being given a hard time, they are all simply trying to help change things, as the old saying goes.... try to do the right thing, if this is not possible do the wrong thing as its always better than doing nothing.
Video footage is helping change attitudes and I thank all who post it in the attempts to question what is happening on our roads.
Leodis
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- Moortown, Leeds
The media in this country, Meh.
Scruffmonster
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- London/Kent
I feel like the elephant in the room here that nobody is acknowledging is that for the section used, Gaz was WRONG.
For that whole interaction he's looking so bad. He could have yielded some space for the cab, left room, nothing happens. He could have just not hit the cab, crisis averted. He could have apologised with his first words, didn't happen. He could have declined to clap and 'play up for the crowd' (what crowd? he wasn't on stage). Calling someone a mug after you've established that somebody isn't the type to smack you in the face isn't big or clever.
It's these kind of interactions that make cyclists look bad. I've watched the show again online and it's just not cool. Putting these kind of things on YouTube and trying to claim the moral high ground is insane.
I hope that Gaz takes a few lessons from this. It must truly be horrible to see yourself on national tv and have a populace comment negatively about you. (Though annoying Daily Mail readers is everyones idea of fun) We can claim that it all came down to an edit, but there should be enough in there for him to think 'I need to change a few things'.
I've made enough comments showing how I feel about 99% of 'Camera Cyclists' but to have any degree of success, they've got to realise their mistakes. In every way Gaz may claim it was a poor edit, they made that program to entertain a set demographic. Just as Gaz and his cohorts upload videos to entertain a very narrow demographic on YouTube. It's the same game so stop complaining.
For that whole interaction he's looking so bad. He could have yielded some space for the cab, left room, nothing happens. He could have just not hit the cab, crisis averted. He could have apologised with his first words, didn't happen. He could have declined to clap and 'play up for the crowd' (what crowd? he wasn't on stage). Calling someone a mug after you've established that somebody isn't the type to smack you in the face isn't big or clever.
It's these kind of interactions that make cyclists look bad. I've watched the show again online and it's just not cool. Putting these kind of things on YouTube and trying to claim the moral high ground is insane.
I hope that Gaz takes a few lessons from this. It must truly be horrible to see yourself on national tv and have a populace comment negatively about you. (Though annoying Daily Mail readers is everyones idea of fun) We can claim that it all came down to an edit, but there should be enough in there for him to think 'I need to change a few things'.
I've made enough comments showing how I feel about 99% of 'Camera Cyclists' but to have any degree of success, they've got to realise their mistakes. In every way Gaz may claim it was a poor edit, they made that program to entertain a set demographic. Just as Gaz and his cohorts upload videos to entertain a very narrow demographic on YouTube. It's the same game so stop complaining.
