Beta Blockers, Propranolol.

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zootnanook

Regular
Location
Northern Ireland
I have been taking Propranolol for a few years now which was prescribed to me by my doctor for the prevention of migraine headaches but since I took up cycling I have looked into the beta blocker and it slows the heart and blocks the effects of adrenaline, my resting heart rate is around 45 - 50 bpm and I struggle to reach 135 bpm when climbing a steep hill. Does anyone else use this drug and have any advice on weather its good or bad. I will consult my own GP before I stop using it but was just wondering what others experiences were ?
 

SpokeyDokey

67, & my GP says I will officially be old at 70!
Moderator
I have been taking Propranolol for a few years now which was prescribed to me by my doctor for the prevention of migraine headaches but since I took up cycling I have looked into the beta blocker and it slows the heart and blocks the effects of adrenaline, my resting heart rate is around 45 - 50 bpm and I struggle to reach 135 bpm when climbing a steep hill. Does anyone else use this drug and have any advice on weather its good or bad. I will consult my own GP before I stop using it but was just wondering what others experiences were ?

Yes I use this drug - in conjunction with Carbimazole and Levothyroxine; basically a block and replace treatment for an over-active Thyroid.

More permanent treatment due when I can face up to it! (Radio-iodine treatment).

Basically the beta-blockers suppress heart rate in my case to stop it going into a permanent high rate of knots.

When using them I found that they basically suppressed my ability to climb and hike in the mountains - they put a lid on the amount of oxygen you can get around your system. Basically you feel knackered before you ought to!

Prior to a long hike I stop taking them for a few days and I perform much better. I am not recommending this to anyone but it's just what I do.

I hate the damn stuff tbh.
 

derrick

The Glue that binds us together.
I was on bisoprolo, another beta blocker after a heart attack but they made me feel tired very quickly, had a word with the doc and he took me of them after about a month, feel so much better without them, but i would not stop taking them without the doctors say so. have a word with your doctor.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
I take Atenolol after cardiac stenting and find that I can ride fairly well amongst peers of similar age and weight that don't take B-blockers.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
I take Atenolol after cardiac stenting and find that I can ride fairly well amongst peers of similar age and weight that don't take B-blockers.
Atenolol screwed me up good and proper when I changed to a nearer GP practice. They took my blood pressure and found I was extremely hypertensive. An initial dose of Atenolol dropped my BP for a while but it shot up shortly afterwards. Double the dose, same problem. Double it again. At this stage I could no longer get hold of enough adrenaline to get me through work - I was a pro double bass player and you really need a touch of adrenaline to get through a gig. I ended up only able to do one gig a week - I'd go out on a Friday and felt completely dead for the rest of the weekend. One gig a week is the end of a career.

It turns out that I have a severely constricted artery to my right kidney which, to judge by the scan images when they failed to put a stent in, was probably congenital. In crude terms, the kidney is starved of blood and tells the heart to send more blood which doesn't get there so it tells the heart to send more, etc, etc. A doctor friend advised trying a calcium channel blocker (they gave me felodipine) which doesn't suppress adrenaline and works by dilating blood vessels. Though it's not ideal, I've found it ''liveable'' compared to living death by atenolol.

Now, I've no idea whether slightly dilated blood vessels might help for migraines but I would ask your GP for advice.
 

Albert

Über Member
Location
Wales
I take bisoprolol among other things and have had no adverse side effects. Talk to your specialist if possible, your GP might not be as "on the ball" re: how different drugs combine. I know that my GPs aren't.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
I used to be on propranolol for migraines and rode/functioned perfectly well on it. I'd have no qualms going back on but my attacks are clustered so I take a prescription knock em down early immigran type drug now rather than something constantly whether I need it or not day to day.
 

SpokeyDokey

67, & my GP says I will officially be old at 70!
Moderator
I used to be on propranolol for migraines and rode/functioned perfectly well on it. I'd have no qualms going back on but my attacks are clustered so I take a prescription knock em down early immigran type drug now rather than something constantly whether I need it or not day to day.

Do you have clusters of Migraines or Cluster Headaches? Just out of interest.

My wife has Cluster Headaches and was diagnosed about 10 years back and they are the most awful things imaginable - they rate as the absolute limit of pain that a human can experience.

She originally thought they were migraines but the Neurologist who eventually became involved finally diagnosed them as CH's. She is quite an 'expert' on them now.

http://www.migrainetrust.org/factsheet-cluster-headache-10908

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cluster-headaches/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Some years ago, before diagnosis, I woke up at about 2pm in the morning, there was a horrible wailing noise coming from the garden - it turned out to be my wife literally smashing her head on the patio in an attempt to make the pain go away.

Some sufferers have been known to push their fingers into their eye sockets in an attempt to get at the pain.
 

david k

Hi
Location
North West
Yes I use this drug - in conjunction with Carbimazole and Levothyroxine; basically a block and replace treatment for an over-active Thyroid.
More permanent treatment due when I can face up to it! (Radio-iodine treatment).
Basically the beta-blockers suppress heart rate in my case to stop it going into a permanent high rate of knots.
When using them I found that they basically suppressed my ability to climb and hike in the mountains - they put a lid on the amount of oxygen you can get around your system. Basically you feel knackered before you ought to!
Prior to a long hike I stop taking them for a few days and I perform much better. I am not recommending this to anyone but it's just what I do.
I hate the damn stuff tbh.

been there mate, had RAI about 3 years ago
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
Do you have clusters of Migraines or Cluster Headaches? Just out of interest.

My wife has Cluster Headaches and was diagnosed about 10 years back and they are the most awful things imaginable - they rate as the absolute limit of pain that a human can experience.

She originally thought they were migraines but the Neurologist who eventually became involved finally diagnosed them as CH's. She is quite an 'expert' on them now.

http://www.migrainetrust.org/factsheet-cluster-headache-10908

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cluster-headaches/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Some years ago, before diagnosis, I woke up at about 2pm in the morning, there was a horrible wailing noise coming from the garden - it turned out to be my wife literally smashing her head on the patio in an attempt to make the pain go away.

Some sufferers have been known to push their fingers into their eye sockets in an attempt to get at the pain.
I'd been diagnosed by my GP as cluster migraines and treated for the last 20 years as that, but your wife's experience and a quick skim of the first article is absolutely spot on for me, invariably over my left eye starting 4-5am and I can only describe it as feeling like having a railway spike driven into my head & through my eyeball, the pain is literally sickening. I can totally empathise with her banging her head and the eye socket thing, I bash the heels if my hands onto my head & press up on my sockets at the bridge of my nose as hard as possible, it often feels like there is an immense pressure building and building in there and you'll do anything to vent or try to shift it, logic goes straight out of the window. My wife has found me on several occasions curled up in the shower in the early hours whimpering like a dog with it as hot as I can bear it, pressed directly onto my head just trying to spread the pain about, to the point where I've scalded my scalp and forehead and just not noticed until the headache dies down.

It could explain why I get one or two in each spate that just overwhelm whatever medication I've been prescribed to routinely suppress or individually attack them.

Does she get low level regular headaches in the meantime between the cluster ones?
 

SpokeyDokey

67, & my GP says I will officially be old at 70!
Moderator
I'd been diagnosed by my GP as cluster migraines and treated for the last 20 years as that, but your wife's experience and a quick skim of the first article is absolutely spot on for me, invariably over my left eye starting 4-5am and I can only describe it as feeling like having a railway spike driven into my head & through my eyeball, the pain is literally sickening. I can totally empathise with her banging her head and the eye socket thing, I bash the heels if my hands onto my head & press up on my sockets at the bridge of my nose as hard as possible, it often feels like there is an immense pressure building and building in there and you'll do anything to vent or try to shift it, logic goes straight out of the window. My wife has found me on several occasions curled up in the shower in the early hours whimpering like a dog with it as hot as I can bear it, pressed directly onto my head just trying to spread the pain about, to the point where I've scalded my scalp and forehead and just not noticed until the headache dies down.

It could explain why I get one or two in each spate that just overwhelm whatever medication I've been prescribed to routinely suppress or individually attack them.

Does she get low level regular headaches in the meantime between the cluster ones?

No, she does not get low level headaches at all.

You may need referring to a specialist - in our experience 3 GP's had no idea what my wife was going through.

Cluster headache suffers usually do a strange 'dance' when they are having an attack - pacing back and forth in a odd jittery fashion.

Some poor souls have these attacks every day of their lives - must be a nightmare.

Attacks are linked to the sufferers circadian rhythm - some people have them every day at the same time. Offer people have them every Spring, Autumn or both.

My wife has hers every 18 months for about 6 weeks at a time. Every attack starts at 1am on the button.

She uses Sumatriptan (which is also a Migraine treatment):

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/cluster-headaches/Pages/Treatment.aspx

Tablets are a waste of time. They take at least 40 minutes to work by which time she is at her wits end.

Inhalers work in about 15 minutes and injections take about 2 mins. She uses the injections a lot - it's a bit of a battle to get a good stock from the GP as they are expensive.

Once the drugs have 'hit' you would be hard pressed to know how much pain she was in aminute or two beforehand.

She takes anti-nausea drugs (which occasionally make her sick!) to counteract any side effects of the Sumatriptan - these drugs totally flatten her though.

I'd go and get a good diagnosis if I were you,

Further reading - this is a first class resource:

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/

Good luck with getting your problem sorted!
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
I've been on Bisoprolol since a heart attack 4 years ago, and it does have an effect on riding. The effect isn't severe and I can ride with similar ability people.

My GP gives the nod (but not formal agreement) to a week off if I'm doing a big ride. The formal version is, I'm told, that once you're on Beta Blockers you're supposed to be on them for life
 
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