some people are probably aware that I am fairly cynical about some bikes and accessories. I just don't agree with some things, full stop - I will refuse to even consider that it might be good on the grounds that I just know it isn't - I don't need to try it. The whole "bib" thing being a prime example of one of the targets of this cynicism. It's known amongst some, also, that I am also a fairly open minded person and am willing to change my viewpoints on things if a rational argument is made (e.g. recumbents) and to try things for the first time if I'm curious that they might be good or work well for me. In the last week, bib longs has become an example of the latter. Can I just take this opportunity now, to point out that my cynicism was completely correct, and that therefore, any cynicism towards things I haven't tried I may show in the past, present or future, therefore also stands a reasonably good chance of being correct. That brings the total number of things I've been cynical of and gave in and tried only to realise my cynicism was correct, to two (the first being drop handlebars) - therefore 2/2 = 100% cynicism accuracy rate. Aaaaaaaaaanyway, bib longs. Got them from decathlon, but they were the most expensive, quality ones with the most panels and the warmest material. Tried them on, and they felt comfortable - apart from the bib bit. It made me feel too unnecessarily constrained, and just felt 'wrong'. But the worst thing was the padding was too far friggin' forward - I want it to pad my arse, not my bollocks! And due to the bib thing, it couldn't really move around much. I rode to work and back in them, the end result being that while not UNcomfy, they weren't half as comfy as my old endura 8-panel (non-bib) shorts (which i have lost unfortunately), due to the padding being in the wrong place, and feeling slightly too constrained. So I didn't really see the point in the bib thing, and still don't. I mean for god's sake, if it's that good why doesn't everybody just go the whole hog and have a f**ckin' BIB-thong, like Borat? Also, what NON-bib longs has anyone got that they can recommend, criteria - must have padding, must be warm, must be cheap(ish) i.e. definitely under £50, hopefully under £35.