Little yellow Brompton
A dark destroyer of biscuits!
- Location
- Bridgend
Bike vs HGV
- Thread starter Twilkes
- Start date
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Little yellow Brompton
A dark destroyer of biscuits!
- Location
- Bridgend
Hip Priest
Veteran
I'd advise people not to undertake HGVs. I don't think that counts as victim-blaming, just common sense. Like advising people to lock their doors when they go to bed and not walk alone through a rough part of town at night wearing expensive jewellery.
You're quite right, that's not victim blaming (and is sensible advice). Victim blaming would be if you said "they were stupid, they deserved it"
Hip Priest
Veteran
Indeed. And if anyone did meet death or injury in this way, I'd have every sympathy. Many cyclists, particularly inexperienced ones, may be unaware of the risks. And as others have said, modern cycle lanes could be seen to encourage the undertaking of vehicles.
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
Victim blaming would also be blaming the HGV driver because he didnt get out and do a 360 degree check that some numpty might have positioned themselves in a potential death zone.
Little yellow Brompton
A dark destroyer of biscuits!
- Location
- Bridgend
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
the majority who make this error would probably, with hindsight, call themselves every one of those words... (.if they had the chance of course). Common sense and cyclists are three words that should never be confused .....judging by some views on this forum.
I must have missed where anyone suggested that
col
Legendary Member
Cheers
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
d/p
Hard to see how you missed it as it's your assumption in the first place, not that of the author of those posts. 49 most notably suggests putting a second man in the cab: how you infer from that that he thinks the driver should get out each time he stops is beyond me.
Look, buses and coaches only have one driver. They're long vehicles. They don't have the same poor safety record, despite that there are loads of them on the road in city centres and they're often driven really rather badly. The driver doesn't get out and do a 360 check before moving off. So what's the difference? Perhaps there's something there the HGV companies could learn.
MacB
Lover of things that come in 3's
- Location
- Farnborough, Hampshire
I'm not convinced either way here, yes you shouldn't place yourself in such a vulnerable position. But, like I said already, there are cycling facilities that encourage just such behaviour. Then there are the cyclists that are there first and a large vehicle pulls alongside. When that happens to me I look for eye contact, escape routes and have even scooted part way through a junction to make sure I'm safer.
On the flip side there is the huge problem of vehicles with limited visibility mixing with other road users, especially the more vulnerable. My gut instinct is that improvements can be made in that area as a priority. I definitely get a sense of 'acceptable losses' around traffic accidents that wouldn't be tolerated in other areas.
On the flip side there is the huge problem of vehicles with limited visibility mixing with other road users, especially the more vulnerable. My gut instinct is that improvements can be made in that area as a priority. I definitely get a sense of 'acceptable losses' around traffic accidents that wouldn't be tolerated in other areas.
