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I like Skol
A Minging Manc...
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- Sunny Ashton-under-Lyne
I'm with you on this one Monty because I don't experience all this cyclist/motorist agression that others claim is so prevalent and therefore can't be ars*d with the camera just for the 1 in a million chance that I get knocked off my bike and the guilty party decides to lie through their teeth about the incident.
Where do you live Monty? I live in the Manchester suburbs and have a calm commute everytime and would ride through central Manchester with no qualms but from the posts about problem and agressive incidents that 'flood' in from the London area I guess it's a different world down there?
So as humble meek cyclists, we're not entitled to our space on the road and should ignore poor, dangerous and life threatening driving? We can be passed close, we can be beeped at, and we should just put our head down and accept their abuse? We have as much reason to explain to them why their driving is inappropriate as a driver does to find fault with our cycling. Remonstration doesnt have to be aggressive, and is often the only way of getting our point across. And if we don't they'll just do it again.
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montyboy
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All I am saying is if you kick off with another road user its likely that you will get the same back. If you like fighting in the street go for it, if not then just treat it as one of lifes hazards I guess.
Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It rarely happens to me, in fact I can barely think or an example, but I still accept that these incidents have occurred to other cyclists when there has been no fault apportioned to them.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
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- South Croydon
Road position change after the first incident there gaz
Say whaaaaaaat?
Not soley to capture poor driving if at all. It's more to level the playing field so to speak. Most drivers are fine but if one in a thousand is bad either through carelessness or maliciousness then a camera is a fairly cheap piece of kit that might make a big difference and has done in a number of cases.
Well that's my take on it and why I have started to wear one. But why do you ask monty boy?
Well that's my take on it and why I have started to wear one. But why do you ask monty boy?
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montyboy
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I live in Cheshire and dont ride that often in the City although I do drive about 30,000 miles a year and dont see the sights that others have witnessed.
Perhaps London is a different enviroment that I havent experienced.
Bloomin southerners
MrHappyCyclist
Riding the Devil's HIghway
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- Bolton, England
- Learning – I have found it very useful to look back at incidents and see whether I can learn from them. I have also found it very useful to look at other people’s incidents and learn from them. I have also found it useful to get feedback on my own video clips from other experienced cyclists and learn from them. (Actually, it turns out that this has been by far the most valuable aspect.)
- Retribution – yes, it feels good to be able to name and shame drivers who do bad things to me. (And to show some idiotic things cyclists do as well.)
- Evidence – the way our laws work makes it very difficult to claim redress if needed. I have never had to do that, thank goodness, but it would help if needed. (See the lawyer’s comments in this One Show clip.) (This was my original reason for getting a camera.)
- Improving the situation – (admittedly in a very small way) I know of a number of cases of cyclists using video evidence to show the employers of appalling commercial drivers what their staff are doing. This often results in drivers undergoing additional training, often compulsory.
- Behaviour modification – there are people who claim that the presence of a video camera has the effect of improving the behaviour of drivers. I don’t really know whether this is true, but it seems plausible.
CopperCyclist
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I'd love a camera, and I know I'll buy one when I can justify the spending. I bought a cheap 10 quid muvi style one, but the mount doesn't work, and I couldn't get it to film the right direction, it just kept slipping - what do I expect for 10 quid though eh?
Next summer I'll be looking to fork out some money on a road bike, and I'll most likely get a contourHD or something similar then.
Why? For protection in the case of an accident. I don't think I'll be uploading to YouTube, but it'll be nice to have evidence if and when I ever need it - hopefully I won't... Secondly, I've started to mountain bike, and I quite fancy filming some of those rides for interest.
For the record, I have absolutely nothing against you-tubers - the first video I saw was CyclingMikeys, followed by Gaz's and I've learnt a lot about cycling from their vids.
Next summer I'll be looking to fork out some money on a road bike, and I'll most likely get a contourHD or something similar then.
Why? For protection in the case of an accident. I don't think I'll be uploading to YouTube, but it'll be nice to have evidence if and when I ever need it - hopefully I won't... Secondly, I've started to mountain bike, and I quite fancy filming some of those rides for interest.
For the record, I have absolutely nothing against you-tubers - the first video I saw was CyclingMikeys, followed by Gaz's and I've learnt a lot about cycling from their vids.
lukesdad
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Mmm so if it rarely happens and thats my take of 40 years on the roads. What are we to make of cyclists posting scores of incidents on you tube ?
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montyboy
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I asked because I thought it seemed an extreme measure just to capture the bad driving of others.
I was curious to find out if things really were that bad or whether it was perhaps a bit of an over reaction from a few.
It seems that maybe London has a character of its own!
I like Skol
A Minging Manc...
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- Sunny Ashton-under-Lyne
I live in Cheshire and dont ride that often in the City although I do drive about 30,000 miles a year and dont see the sights that others have witnessed.
Perhaps London is a different enviroment that I havent experienced.
Bloomin southerners
I drove a Merc Sprinter 40k a year up to the end of 2007 (not a WVM but a greenVM)
Perhaps this experience from the other side of the arguement make us better or more considerate cyclists? I never had any problems driving in London though!
MrHappyCyclist
Riding the Devil's HIghway
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- Bolton, England
In other words, what are we to make of cyclists posting irrefutable video evidence of scores of incidents on you tube?