Chollerford death - man with sleep disorder shouldn't have been on the road.

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by puffinbilly, 21 Oct 2015.

  1. puffinbilly

    puffinbilly Über Member

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  2. Inertia

    Inertia I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!

    Terrible, the cyclist had no chance, you cant plan for someone like that.

    The report was doing so well until the end, they just had to say...

    "He was wearing a helmet at the time and his bicycle was in perfect working condition."
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  3. Lonestar

    Lonestar Veteran

    Reckon there (are) a lot of people out there driving with some sort of disorder which impairs their driving.
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  4. hopless500

    hopless500 Trundling along

    Just what I thought.
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  5. steve50

    steve50 Disenchanted Member

    West Yorkshire
    they were simply stating the fact that the neither the cyclist nor his bike were in any way to blame for this tragedy....................
  6. hopless500

    hopless500 Trundling along

    The wearing or not wearing of a helmet is irrelevant.
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  7. Reiver

    Reiver Ribbit, Ribbit.

    so if the cyclist had not been wearing a helmet would he need to bear some of the responsibility for the driver having a health problem and being advised on medical grounds not to drive?
  8. steve50

    steve50 Disenchanted Member

    West Yorkshire
    Why does this have to turn into a discussion about the wearing of helmets, the thread is about a cyclist , a father of three children who tragically got killed through no fault of his own,it doesn't matter a toss what he was or wasn't wearing he is still dead and his children and family have to live with the consequences of the reckless actions of a man who had been advised not to drive.
  9. Inertia

    Inertia I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!

    It wasnt my intent to cause a debate, he died in a culture that often tries to blame the victim in this situation. Im sure if he hadnt been wearing a helmet, it would be mentioned, and his 'recklessness' would be pointed at.

    As you said it doesn't matter a toss what he was wearing and it annoys me whenever a tragic death like this occurs, they always reference it as if it matters.

    I didnt mean to derail things though, it just bothers me.
  10. OP

    puffinbilly Über Member

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  11. Drago

    Drago Guru

    Truly awful that an innocent person should lose their life due to the reckless and selfish behaviour of another.

    As for the muppet driver, I wonder if his sleep problems would abate somewhat if he wasn't so fat and didn't smoke.

    I know where you're coming from, but in this case it's probably quite a good tactical move by the prosecutor immediately stops dead any counter claim from the defence that the cyclist might have in some way contributed towards his own misfortune. Unfortunately, Courts can and do fall for, "yeah, sure, I ploughed him down in my artic, but if he'd had a helmet you wouldn't be trying me for 'death by' but rather simple careless or dangerous."

    Sounds to me like the prosecution are stitching millado up tight as a drum with this one, so lets just hope the sentence reflects the deliberate and calculate decision to drive on the road against professional medical advice.
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  12. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for rides.

    I agree. But there are far more who simply drive automatically in a state of unconsciousness which ill prepares them for the unexpected. And cyclists are often the unexpected.

    I feel they represent a far great risk to my well-being when awheel in UK than those behind the wheel with recognised disorders.
  13. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for rides.

    Strange they didn't feel the need to mention his trousers or shoes or gloves.
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  14. Being a fork lift driver is also not the cleverest occupation for this man. I wonder if his employers know of his condition.
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  15. slowmotion

    slowmotion Quite dreadful

    lost somewhere
    In no way am I making excuses for his behaviour, but quite a few of us have probably come close to falling asleep at the wheel at some stage of our lives.
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