Chris Froome bike totalled after road rage incident.

[Noru]

Okay I understand your concern but how many cams are you going to buy? You need 1 mounted on the bike facing forward, as this report proves you'll need another facing rearwards, but you will still have 2 blind spots either side, your GF got hit on the arm assuming they came from the side, then really need one on top of your head/helmet so that when the bike is on the floor & you're confronting the drivers, so we're at 5 so far. You know Murphy's/Sod's law, the camera will always be facing the wrong way if you don't. It's a bit like the dashcams in cars, I don't understand why everybody has them facing forward, surely you should also have a rear facing as I think that's more likely where you'll be hit.

Im currently using a rear camera and saving for a front camera while cycling and also have a dash-cam in the car Im in no illusion that it will protect me but with the number of hit & run in the news any help catching these scum is helpful.

Though not that the courts give out anywhere near suitable punishment even when its on camera... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39876692

3 years jail is too soft but I sort of understand as she's about to become a mother but only a 4.5 year driving ban its insulting.

There should be a lifetime driving ban for anyone found guilty of using their vehicle as a weapon. Driving's a privilege not a right sadly the courts & ministry of justice don't seem to agree.

 

[ozboz]

Don't go thinking it'll "make sure". It'll give you a chance but there's any number of things that could go wrong with it. Still, it's a chance that you wouldn't have without one.


It's spreading, thanks to experiences like Operation Snap. Most still won't accept ordinary cycling cameras for dangerous driving overtakes, but will as evidence of road rage or if there's a collision.


Is there any credible suggestion that Froome could have avoided this by looking behind more often?


British Bike-bashing Corporation strikes again Actually, it's not as bad as some of their efforts, but why aren't they asking something more like "How dangerous are hit-and-run motorists?"

I am aware that fitting a cam is not absolute in bringing any culprits to justice, but it will shorten the odds of them getting away with it ,
Many years ago I spent two weeks in Oldham Royal Infirmary , a driver went clean through a give way at a junction and cleaned me up on my bike, the Police said there was insufficient evidence , so he walked , you never forget those things ,

 

[Shut Up Legs]

I am aware that fitting a cam is not absolute in bringing any culprits to justice, but it will shorten the odds of them getting away with it ,
Many years ago I spent two weeks in Oldham Royal Infirmary , a driver went clean through a give way at a junction and cleaned me up on my bike, the Police said there was insufficient evidence , so he walked , you never forget those things ,

That's why I use a front-facing helmet-mounted video camera, and a rear-facing one mounted on the saddle rails. I don't post the slightest incident on Youtube, as these cameras are only for if I have a bad incident and need to backup my version of what occurred. It's a pity the anti-camera brigade on these fora view any camera use with intolerance and ridicule.

 

[KnackeredBike]

I am aware that fitting a cam is not absolute in bringing any culprits to justice, but it will shorten the odds of them getting away with it ,
Many years ago I spent two weeks in Oldham Royal Infirmary , a driver went clean through a give way at a junction and cleaned me up on my bike, the Police said there was insufficient evidence , so he walked , you never forget those things ,

The police are totally sodding useless at anything cycling-not-at-fault related. Some poor lady was run over by a bus yesterday in Oxford and the local press were allowed to take photos of the bus, on top of the woman (albeit from the other side). Wouldn't happen if it was a ped or car driver.

 

[KnackeredBike]

A new article on BBC Fake news
Froome crash: How dangerous is cycling on the roads?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39856219

"

• Don't rely on being seen by drivers, no matter how brightly you are dressed"

Possibly the most stupid advice in the world, if you followed that you would never cycle on any road, anywhere.

 

[mjr]

"

• Don't rely on being seen by drivers, no matter how brightly you are dressed"

Possibly the most stupid advice in the world, if you followed that you would never cycle on any road, anywhere.

You know what it means, but saying "position yourself on the road to give yourself space to react and don't rely on drivers obeying give way markings" would be unpopular on the BBC. I notice it only gives advice for cyclists, pandering to the idea that motorists don't need to change their behaviour.

 

[srw]

A new article on BBC Fake news
Froome crash: How dangerous is cycling on the roads?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39856219

Apparently I have a pinterest account and so am able to comment on their article.

The answer to their question, by the way, is "not very" - which their own article tells you.

 

[User33236]

I am aware that fitting a cam is not absolute in bringing any culprits to justice, but it will shorten the odds of them getting away with it ,
Many years ago I spent two weeks in Oldham Royal Infirmary , a driver went clean through a give way at a junction and cleaned me up on my bike, the Police said there was insufficient evidence , so he walked , you never forget those things ,

It doesn't though. I had clear video footage on a car accerelating from a stopped position and driving straight for me, at speed, in order to access a one way road in the wrong direction. I just managed to get myself out of the way in time but the rear wheel on the bike was tagged by the car causing damage to the tyre and rim.

The police were notified and that I had front and rear video. They called the next day to say they would not be taking my complaint forward as ther was little they felt they could do!!

When I was taken out my a car in similar circumstances to you (luckily I did not have the two week stay in hospital) the police officer that attended was shown CCTV from a nearby property clearing showing the driver failing to give way. He described it there and then as 'a simple mistake' and again no action was taken.

Video evidence is unfortunately not the panacea that people believe it to be.

 

[ozboz]

It doesn't though. I had clear video footage on a car accerelating from a stopped position and driving straight for me, at speed, in order to access a one way road in the wrong direction. I just managed to get myself out of the way in time but the rear wheel on the bike was tagged by the car causing damage to the tyre and rim.

The police were notified and that I had front and rear video. They called the next day to say they would not be taking my complaint forward as ther was little they felt they could do!!

When I was taken out my a car in similar circumstances to you (luckily I did not have the two week stay in hospital) the police officer that attended was shown CCTV from a nearby property clearing showing the driver failing to give way. He described it there and then as 'a simple mistake' and again no action was taken.

Video evidence is unfortunately not the panacea that people believe it to be.

Interesting, but I have seen video footage this week that has brought bad drivers to bear the consequence of their actions , one has lost his job , Ive not heard if the Cops are going to do anything yet , and one has got themselves 3 years in Prison ,so I stand by my claim ,

 

[jarlrmai]

Interesting, but I have seen video footage this week that has brought bad drivers to bear the consequence of their actions , one has lost his job , Ive not heard if the Cops are going to do anything yet , and one has got themselves 3 years in Prison ,so I stand by my claim ,

yeah there are like a million on YT that have no action taken, if you get into the popular press you've have a chance.

 

[ozboz]

yeah there are like a million on YT that have no action taken, if you get into the popular press you've have a chance.

If you get hit , and or your bike gets damaged , then surely you go for civil action as happens in a normal collision anyway , if in part or wholly captured on video , makes it hard for the driver to deny , as far as the cops go , it does seem that there has to be a serious offence committed and its worth there while pursuing , not right really ,

 

[jarlrmai]

To be honest when you get hit by a car driver and it clearly wasn't an accident you just want someone to take it seriously.

 

[RoubaixCube]

To be honest when you get hit by a car driver and it clearly wasn't an accident you just want someone to take it seriously.

Not just 'someone' but the 'Judicial System' -- Id take it seriously if you told a car deliberately hit you or rammed you off the road but apart from my deepest sympathies & get-well-soon's theres not a lot I can do to help you unless i decide to become a vigilante and take the law into my own hands like Frank Castle.... then again, what sort of example would I be setting??

 

[ozboz]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oome-ramming-police-prosecute-vicious-drivers

This is a worry , blows a hole in my theory,

 

[Milkfloat]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oome-ramming-police-prosecute-vicious-drivers

This is a worry , blows a hole in my theory,

To be fair it is a left wing cycling journalist writing it - I would be happier if it was the Prime Minister together with every Chief Constable and the Director of Public Prosecutions.