(Clearly Un)Notable Wheel Differences

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bpsmith

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I was just pointing out my own experiences.

Your "proof" is that every wheel feels the same.

Clearly, this place is not for me.
 

Dan B

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.....you tell 'em. And while we're at it, the plural of Zonda is Zondas and the plural of Quattro is Quattros.
Beg to differ. The plural of Zonda is Zondata and the plural of Quattro is Formaggi
 

winjim

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I'm prepared to believe that you perceive differences between the two wheelsets. However, in order to demonstrate that there is any actual difference, I would want you to go on say a hundred rides, each with a wheelset assigned at random by an impartial observer, probably in fact with many different copies of each wheelset to correct for variations in setup etc, blinded, and report your observations to a similarly blinded observer who could then report back to us.

Until you can do that, we need to rely on our knowledge of physics and engineering, and probably accept that the differences you perceive are not due to actual physical effects. Which is just as interesting if you think about it.
 
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bpsmith

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Why - because you are being asked to quantify your claims? I don't understand what the problem is. Surely this is how forums work?
Not at all. Sometimes it's not possible to quantify the way something feels, but to continually be told you're feelings are totally wrong if you can't back it up with random statistics is a touch condescending.

Perhaps it's just me, but my wheels appear to flex more than a single sheet of paper. How about you?
 

S-Express

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Perhaps it's just me, but my wheels appear to flex more than a single sheet of paper. How about you?

I don't notice wheel flex.
 

davidphilips

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I'm prepared to believe that you perceive differences between the two wheelsets. However, in order to demonstrate that there is any actual difference, I would want you to go on say a hundred rides, each with a wheelset assigned at random by an impartial observer, probably in fact with many different copies of each wheelset to correct for variations in setup etc, blinded, and report your observations to a similarly blinded observer who could then report back to us.

Until you can do that, we need to rely on our knowledge of physics and engineering, and probably accept that the differences you perceive are not due to actual physical effects. Which is just as interesting if you think about it.

Think i just though of an easier and faster way to demonstrate the differences between 2 wheelsets ?

Take an expensive wheelset at say £1000 and another at say £100 take £100 from £1000 and theres the big difference.
 
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Not at all. Sometimes it's not possible to quantify the way something feels, but to continually be told you're feelings are totally wrong if you can't back it up with random statistics is a touch condescending.

Perhaps it's just me, but my wheels appear to flex more than a single sheet of paper. How about you?

I doubt anyone backed up any claim with random statistics. Would you mind pointing out such statistics?

This is the type of statement that gets you into a tight spot:

"The Zonda's were Quicker off the mark and when accelerating, and faster on the climbs, but could not retain the same top end speed as the Quattro's do."

Since you have no proof, but you seem to sincerely believe it, I can only deduce that you are bullshitting yourself.
 
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