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Ern1e

Über Member
Refuse trucks around here (South Gloucestershire) are festooned with CCTV, it help improve driver behaviour allegedly and reduces the insurance bill. I wonder if the same thing is done in other areas?
My other half had a close encounter with a bus also "festooned" with cameras ! the return telephone call back the next day was disapointing to say the least because for some strange reaqson none of the seemed to ahve been working on that bus on the day !! So all we got was the driver had been spoken to but could not recall any cyclist's on that route ! so in oother words P*** off mate.
 

andyfraser

Über Member
Location
Bristol
I hate bus companies. There are some good drivers but there are a lot of bad ones too. Every time I've complained the driver has denied all knowledge and the company has backed them up.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
The other day on my ride home I had a close encounter with a refuse truck.
As I was approaching a set of width reducing bollards, I heard a heavy vehicle coming up behind me.
I also heard him revving but thought he'd wait for me to get through.
He didn't.
He squeezed past me, within a few inches, and almost had me off the bike!

I got home (I was about 10 mins from home at this point) and phoned the council to report the matter.

Today I had a phone call from the manager of the transport section of the council.
She confirmed that the vehicle I had reported had been where and when I said it had (GPS tracking), and said it had been within the speed limit.
She was very sympathetic and told me that driver was going to be spoken to this afternoon and if appropriate, would be sent on a training course for awareness (or something like that!).

Thats rubbish, such a waste of time.

How about a written warning? Then if it happens again instant dismissal.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
It's worth getting into primary well in advance if any pinch points after a quick shoulder check.

All that aside no excuse for what he did.

Well I'd like to see you move out into primary to block the path of a huge rubbish truck or an HGV barrelling down on you from behind which shows no intention of slowing or giving you space. I would bail. You are a long time dead. If I survived any impact because I stubbornly asserted my right to ride in primary I would hate to spend the rest of my life breathing through a straw.
 
Well I'd like to see you move out into primary to block the path of a huge rubbish truck or an HGV barrelling down on you from behind which shows no intention of slowing or giving you space. I would bail. You are a long time dead. If I survived any impact because I stubbornly asserted my right to ride in primary I would hate to spend the rest of my life breathing through a straw.
If the pass happened at the pinch point moving to primary 'well in advance', as I posted, would mean the lorry was quite some distance behind. I don't fancy eating through a straw because a lorry squeezed past me when there's no space either.
 

SteCenturion

I am your Father
@Ern1e - I/my management have requested CCTV footage (from inside of a bus) some have voice recording in drivers cab area too, in order to challenge a false allegation at work, CCTV "not working" was the response too, this would have vindicated my account.
It's worth remembering that some of the fleet of large companies buses are fitted with many internal & external cameras though, as if footage available it could show vehicle speed, drivers 'gestures' or even swearing/verbal abuse by driver & erratic/dangerous manoeuvres.

@Crankarm - the way it normally goes with larger bus companies (if an incident can be proven) is this, verbal warning, written, final written, dismissal, that said, they have union reps & often this can fall down on technicalities such as the managements making errors in there disciplinary procedures or claims etc.

@andyfraser - I share your frustrations.

I can't & won't mention specific companies or incidents for fear of reprisals or even disciplinary against myself & (I don't drive for any bus company) but in my unmentionable remit I witness & I am subjected to terrible driving on a fairly regular basis.

There are some good drivers too, some of those are cyclists but the general attitude I pick up from bus towards cyclists is that of disdain.

This tends to stem from some intense pressure.
Let me make this quite clear to anyone reading, I Do Not defend the driving of these idiots, simply I offer a possible cause or maybe factor (not sure how to word it) in their driving behaviours & attitudes.

Let me explain & remember this is only a generalisation & not always gospel.

Bus companies in general have little regard for driver welfare & therefore passenger welfare.
Buses are timed to get from A > Z in as little time as possible, this reduces the amount of buses & drivers to fulfil say an every 10/15/20 minute service. Drivers then drive beyond the speed limit & unsafely to achieve the time given to complete the route (which is often insufficient) you would be hard pressed on occasion to achieve this in your car.

Long hours, short meal breaks, meal breaks on a bus with no facilities, no toilets or opportunity to use them.
No overtime paid by some companies for finishing late.
Some companies effectively 'force' their drivers to work without a recognised statutory break (dangerous).

Drivers sometimes 'forced' by fear of joblessness to drive defective vehicles (you really wouldn't believe what I have witnessed) or maybe you would.

Passengers/the public travelling on the bus can be complete %÷=€ insert any phrase you like & also sometimes distract the driver by their ridiculous actions etc.

There are so many factors that influence the way that drivers end up driving in a terrible manner.

I have been thrown around the inside of a bus by drivers driving insanely & seen passengers fall off their seats.

No, I can't get off the bus, my procedures are very strict & my
&$#@£€% would not necessarily accept my actions as they are not necessarily that concerned about my welfare either. I would have to go to a police station every time this happened & eventually my &€£¥$@# would find a way to get rid of me/replace me.

Bottom line is that the companies concerned have little or no concern for their customers or the general public/other road users, their 'driving' motivation is that of £££ for shareholders & as long as the wheels are turning, that is good enough for some.

Now, all of the above may look like a defence of these bad drivers but not at all.
I merely suggest that you can't truly kill off a diseased tree without getting to the root.

Finally & not that anyone needs my particular advice, be safe, be aware & if it happens to you, report it.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
I was driving the other week, and was approaching a cyclist who was in turn approaching a pinch point.
So obviously I slowed down until we had gone through it.

Cue the driver behind me flashing and beeping at me!
I'm glad I was there, as otherwise the other driver would definitely have barged through the pinch point past the poor cyclist.

I'm so sick of people thinking a few seconds of their time is more important than someone else's safety.
 
Not necessarily. I've had vehicles mount the bollard kerb to force past me at those width reducing places. So desperate are the drivers to not lose 2 seconds on their journey time.
You are right that nothing 100% prevents danger manoeuvres but being in primary would increase the chances of it being safer even if not guaranteeing.
 

Ern1e

Über Member
@Ern1e - I/my management have requested CCTV footage (from inside of a bus) some have voice recording in drivers cab area too, in order to challenge a false allegation at work, CCTV "not working" was the response too, this would have vindicated my account.
It's worth remembering that some of the fleet of large companies buses are fitted with many internal & external cameras though, as if footage available it could show vehicle speed, drivers 'gestures' or even swearing/verbal abuse by driver & erratic/dangerous manoeuvres.

@Crankarm - the way it normally goes with larger bus companies (if an incident can be proven) is this, verbal warning, written, final written, dismissal, that said, they have union reps & often this can fall down on technicalities such as the managements making errors in there disciplinary procedures or claims etc.

@andyfraser - I share your frustrations.

I can't & won't mention specific companies or incidents for fear of reprisals or even disciplinary against myself & (I don't drive for any bus company) but in my unmentionable remit I witness & I am subjected to terrible driving on a fairly regular basis.

There are some good drivers too, some of those are cyclists but the general attitude I pick up from bus towards cyclists is that of disdain.

This tends to stem from some intense pressure.
Let me make this quite clear to anyone reading, I Do Not defend the driving of these idiots, simply I offer a possible cause or maybe factor (not sure how to word it) in their driving behaviours & attitudes.

Let me explain & remember this is only a generalisation & not always gospel.

Bus companies in general have little regard for driver welfare & therefore passenger welfare.
Buses are timed to get from A > Z in as little time as possible, this reduces the amount of buses & drivers to fulfil say an every 10/15/20 minute service. Drivers then drive beyond the speed limit & unsafely to achieve the time given to complete the route (which is often insufficient) you would be hard pressed on occasion to achieve this in your car.

Long hours, short meal breaks, meal breaks on a bus with no facilities, no toilets or opportunity to use them.
No overtime paid by some companies for finishing late.
Some companies effectively 'force' their drivers to work without a recognised statutory break (dangerous).

Drivers sometimes 'forced' by fear of joblessness to drive defective vehicles (you really wouldn't believe what I have witnessed) or maybe you would.

Passengers/the public travelling on the bus can be complete %÷=€ insert any phrase you like & also sometimes distract the driver by their ridiculous actions etc.

There are so many factors that influence the way that drivers end up driving in a terrible manner.

I have been thrown around the inside of a bus by drivers driving insanely & seen passengers fall off their seats.

No, I can't get off the bus, my procedures are very strict & my
&$#@£€% would not necessarily accept my actions as they are not necessarily that concerned about my welfare either. I would have to go to a police station every time this happened & eventually my &€£¥$@# would find a way to get rid of me/replace me.

Bottom line is that the companies concerned have little or no concern for their customers or the general public/other road users, their 'driving' motivation is that of £££ for shareholders & as long as the wheels are turning, that is good enough for some.

Now, all of the above may look like a defence of these bad drivers but not at all.
I merely suggest that you can't truly kill off a diseased tree without getting to the root.

Finally & not that anyone needs my particular advice, be safe, be aware & if it happens to you, report it.
I understand that most of our local buses are fitted with 1 forwards,1 rear and 1 each side facing backwards on the external of the bus plus I belive at least 3 internaly and NONE of them was working ? pull my middle leg if you must !!! and I also agree that most of the drivers are of a reasonable nature (tongue in cheeck here) with one or two outstanding drivers but of coarse there are the total N**'s but as they say thats life is it not.
 
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