Commuter killed this morning, Victoria Street, London (8th April) - RIP

[snailracer]

As one who was nearly hit by a cyclist travelling at speed and not obeying the pedestrian crossing in lights which were in my favour I disagree that a bike is not an extraordinary danger to others. The person riding or driving the bikes / vehicles are the potential danger.

Your personal experience aside, the statistics do not come anywhere near suggesting that bikes are a danger to anyone.

Moreover, in ped-cyclist collisions, the cyclist is much more likely to come off worse. Which makes pedestrians dangerous to cyclists, not vice-versa.

 

[glenn forger]

Exactly, a cyclist has a natural disincentive to collide with anything because it bloody well hurts and the consequences will be more serious than a scratched bumper.

 

[Globalti]

I was about to post the same link about the cyclist and ask if anybody can explain how a woman of such obvious high intelligence can have allowed herself to get into such a dangerous situation despite all the warnings that have been published in recent months. I always though true intelligence was the ability to think in abstract terms about the consequences of one's actions.

 

[glenn forger]

Hang on, we don't know what happened yet.

 

[Globalti]

Hang on, we don't know what happened yet.

I thought it was obvious?

 

[glenn forger]

You've seen the accident report? Please don't assign blame when we know very little about what happened.

 

[BF-GUN]

Moreover, in ped-cyclist collisions, the cyclist is much more likely to come off worse. Which makes pedestrians dangerous to cyclists, not vice-versa.

I wouldn't like to be the one who disproves that.

 

[BF-GUN]

Moreover, in ped-cyclist collisions, the cyclist is much more likely to come off worse. Which makes pedestrians dangerous to cyclists, not vice-versa.

Are there stats of the results of ped-cyclists collisions and analysis of who comes off worse? Where is it held?

 

[BentMikey]

I was about to post the same link about the cyclist and ask if anybody can explain how a woman of such obvious high intelligence can have allowed herself to get into such a dangerous situation despite all the warnings that have been published in recent months. I always though true intelligence was the ability to think in abstract terms about the consequences of one's actions.

That is a terrible leap of assumption to make. No doubt you'd have made the same assumption about Catriona Patel, as others did when she was killed? It turns out that the driver in her collision, one Dennis Putz, was still drunk from the night before, was on his mobile phone, and overtook and turned left across her, at least from what I've read.

We have no idea what happened in this collision.

 

[BentMikey]

As one who was nearly hit by a cyclist travelling at speed and not obeying the pedestrian crossing in lights which were in my favour I disagree that a bike is not an extraordinary danger to others. The person riding or driving the bikes / vehicles are the potential danger.

Bicycles are certainly scary, and have a relatively small potential to injure others. They don't deal 1/1000th of the death and injury that drivers do, though, so your statement is more one of fear than of reality.

Of course we should all take care, and take care to allow for the mistakes of both ourselves and others. More importantly though, tighter control, education, policing, and laws need to be applied to the most dangerous vehicles on the public highway. That would be to motor vehicles, and more specifically HGVs and more specifically still, construction lorries.

 

[glenn forger]

That is a terrible leap of assumption to make. No doubt you'd have made the same assumption about Catriona Patel, as others did when she was killed? It turns out that the driver in her collision, one Dennis Putz, was still drunk from the night before, was on his mobile phone, and overtook and turned left across her, at least from what I've read.

We have no idea what happened in this collision.

Banned from driving 16 (sixteen) times, and got a job driving a lorry in London. Inevitably killed a cyclist.

 

[Dan B]

If I'm walking down the pavement while operating a chainsaw, and someone runs out of a shop ahead of me and the chainsaw severs one of their limbs, who is to blame?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Not a cure but this might be a start.


EDIT: More detail here

 

[Boris Bajic]

Banned from driving 16 (sixteen) times, and got a job driving a lorry in London. Inevitably killed a cyclist.

Sixteen convictions for driving while disqualified, which is extraordinary and terribly wrong but is not the same thing.

 

[BentMikey]

Oh yes, I forgot about that.