Compulsory lid legislation?

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by Drago, 24 Nov 2017.

  1. Dave Davenport

    Dave Davenport Guru

    Location:
    Hampshire
    Not surprised, when we've been touring in Germany the cycle path network is great but any time you use the road there's a distinct 'we have cycle routes, roads are for cars, get out of my way attitude'.
    I'll admit to a bias as I work as a national standards instructor, but current UK training is pretty good IMO (pity about the funding cuts though).
     
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  2. Dave Davenport

    Dave Davenport Guru

    Location:
    Hampshire
    And ironically, in the picture of the girl fronting the beeb website piece, her helmet isn't even fitted correctly.
     
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  3. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    Just an observation and not research but it seems to me that the anti helmet thing seem to be an obsession of the white middle aged, middle class male road cyclists. Outside this group I find the attitude to helmet wearing to vastly different. The working class commuters who don't wear one mostly would if became mandatory in the same way they did after mandatory seat belts etc. The active MTBers wear one as it's deemed an sensible thing to do when riding techy trails and its use other places is normalised.
     
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  4. dave r

    dave r The Little Diesel

    Location:
    Holbrooks Coventry
    I'm one who would wear a lid if it became compulsory just to keep riding, I've been riding lidless for almost fifty years now and at the moment have no plans to change.
     
  5. Julia9054

    Julia9054 Veteran

    Location:
    Knaresborough
    Lots of us would on here because we are a subset of people who really like cycling.
    It's people like my son who rides an old bike between his house and uni mainly because he is usually running late and it's quicker than walking. If he owned a helmet, he would have left it somewhere within weeks and would probably decide it was less hassle to run there instead.
     
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  6. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Veteran

    Location:
    Mars
    A road a child does not feel safe cycling to school on, a junction with poor visibility lines. A junction where motorists pull out having seen a child come off their bike. If they want to campaign on a few things I would look at those for starters.
     
  7. User1252

    User1252 Guest

    First and foremost, it is an anti compulsion thing and, seeing as no one can provide any compelling evidence to show a net benefit to cycle helmets, it is perfectly reasonable to be anti.
     
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  8. dave r

    dave r The Little Diesel

    Location:
    Holbrooks Coventry
    Your son sounds very much like mine, he moved away from home a while ago, lives in a bedsit and works as a factory cleaner, he commutes by bike because its convenient but he's not an enthusiast, though he does were a lid. I recon people like our sons are at a higher risk than old farts like me, being retired I'm not commuting anymore and only do a couple of rides a week out in the countryside.
     
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  9. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I strongly suspect that no-one involved in that sick pic is doing it to be ironic and they've done it because they don't understand helmets, how they're supposed to work or the potentially severe consequences of an ill-fitting one... Too many people seem to think helmets are magic hats and just plonking one on the head any old how is sufficient to save the wearer from head injury. :cry: These are the people who could ruin everything.
     
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  10. Jon George

    Jon George Mamil and couldn't care less

    Location:
    Suffolk an' Good
    I think it was in The Seventies that there were a series of TV plays revolving around the theme of 'Against The Crowd' - people going against the prevailing view. I sometimes feel I have lived my life imitating that idea. (Don' get me started about isolating it was at the time to apparently be the only person in Ipswich who understood that the start of The Millennium would be in 2001 and not in 2000.)
    Probably as a result of my interest in the truth, I stopped wearing a cycling helmet two/three years ago and have no end of arguments since from people who believe they know what the facts are. (Initially, I was reminding people of a Mark Twain quote: 'It is easy to fool someone, than it is to convince them they have been fooled', until I bothered to do my own research and found it's likely he didn't actually say that, at all. Oh, the irony.)
    All things being equal, I expect that it will be made compulsory in my lifetime - I will not stop cycling, and I doubt I could be principled enough to face any prosecution for not wearing one, but I will find a way of protesting.
     
  11. mcshroom

    mcshroom Bionic Subsonic

    Location:
    Egremont, Cumbria
    It may appear that it's middle aged men who are the most vocal (they tend to be about just about any topic), but when Australua brought in MHLs, the demographic with the greatest fall in cycling rates was teenage girls.

    Being vocal and having behaviour affected are not necessarily linked.
     
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  12. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    But does that say I'm incorrect or are Australian teenage girls obsessed with their hair? Random stats without context say nothing at all .
     
  13. mcshroom

    mcshroom Bionic Subsonic

    Location:
    Egremont, Cumbria
    It says stop trying to belittle the other side of an argument to you by relying on an unreliable stereotyping of your opponents
     
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  14. mustang1

    mustang1 Veteran

    Location:
    London, UK
    I cycle faster on the road than on the bike path, even the new super smooth bike paths. But I'm happy the bike path exists for the slower riders and for children.

    However that's where government intervention should stop: use our tax money to provide the facilities then stay out of our hair (whoa i blew myself a pun!).

    To be fair, I'd feel strange getting on a motorbike without a helmet. I'd also feel weird getting in a car without a seatbelt. Both of those are required by law yet for some reason I feel like cyclists should be left alone to make their own choice because we don't ride as fast as motorcyclists; perhaps everyone who travels using any form of transport should wear a helmet... Seatbelts haven't prevented car fatalities so maybe the next step should be seatbelts plus helmets... Who knows?
     
  15. thegravestoneman

    thegravestoneman three wheels on my wagon

    The simple solutions are and always will be education and enforcement of the existing laws, there is no appetite for either. Teach new drivers about cycling test, them on the test, enforce the laws on both motorists and cyclists and it will all improve.
     
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