Compulsory lid legislation?

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by Drago, 24 Nov 2017.

  1. SteveF

    SteveF Über Member

    12 year old girl, riding on the pavement, went over the handle bars and into the road where a car went over her and trapped her.

    The girl is making the appeal, the video is quite slick and designed to tug at the heart strings, it will definitely appeal to some people.
     
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  2. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    So what's the relevance of a helmet? Did the car trap her head? And does no-one mention that helmet manufacturers warn they don't protect against cars?
     
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  3. Dave Davenport

    Dave Davenport Guru

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    Hampshire
  4. Siclo

    Siclo Über Member

  5. SteveF

    SteveF Über Member

    Perhaps have a look when you get time. Reason I dropped it here was it's about compulsion (which I'm against) and it was very prominent on the BBC news landing page.
     
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  6. MiK1138

    MiK1138 Über Member

    Location:
    Glasgow
    Wish I'd worn my helmet on my elbow when I came down on black ice this morning OWEEEE
     
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  7. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    Emotive rubbish? Not from the point of a young girls who's life was saved by wearing one.

    Are you going to write to her to let her know how she was spouting rubbish ?
     
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  8. snorri

    snorri Legendary Member

    Just yesterday I heard a BBC presenter being unwilling to accept a controversial point made by a speaker in the studio, his reason being there was no one present to put an opposing view.
    It's a pity the BBC do not have a similar policy in regard to controversial articles on their website.
     
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  9. MichaelW2

    MichaelW2 Über Member

    Better quality cycle training would probably have prevented this cyclist from having a self inflicted crash that put her under the car. She was riding downhill on the pavement, braked hard, was unable to maintain control and came off hard, into the road,under a car, at which point the helmet may or may not have been helpful in reducing injuries.
     
  10. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    And that, folks, is why the helmet zealots should be spending some tiny fraction of their money on promoting better de-icing or studded tyres or some other actual crash prevention measures instead of head-only mitigation devices.
     
  11. DaveReading

    DaveReading Veteran

    She had already suffered major facial injuries, lost a bunch of teeth and been rendered unconscious when her head hit the road, so you could argue that a helmet might have lessened the effect of those injuries, given that that's what helmets are supposed to do.

    Obviously once she had been subsequently hit by the car, the helmet became irrelevant. Although you could argue, had she not been unconscious, she might have been able to scramble out of the way.

    None of it provable, of course.
     
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  12. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    Helmets are supposed to prevent unconsciousness now, are they? I thought some manufacturers explicitly warned they aren't sufficient to prevent that or concussion.

    Only full-face MTB helmets would protect face and teeth significantly and I doubt that's what she's calling for.
     
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  13. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Guru

    Location:
    Mars
    Had the school not had a helmet policy she would have not been late (not being able to find her helmet) most likely not rushed to school, avoided the accident altogether, and been much better off.
     
  14. NickNick

    NickNick Well-Known Member

    The irony of that was particularly striking when I read the road.cc article on. It seems to have more detail than the BBC and from the description of the accident & injuries I really doesn't look to me like the helmet would have made any difference. It seems like one of those "common sense" statements that her doctors made but I'm not convinced.

     
  15. DaveReading

    DaveReading Veteran

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but helmets are intended to lessen the impact forces sustained in a low-energy contact between the head and a solid object, such as might occur when falling off a bike.

    So it's perfectly possible that that could make the difference, under certain circumstances, between a force that's sufficient to cause loss of consciousness and one that isn't.

    The fact that a helmet may mitigate the effect of certain types of impact doesn't equate to a guarantee that it will, so the answer to your question is No.
     
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