Two down, just under a couple of million to go.
Mine got £175 fine, 5 points on his licence, £35 costs and a caution for assault.
Is SVM the new WVM?
Conviction based on headcam evidence
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Two down, just under a couple of million to go.
Mine got £175 fine, 5 points on his licence, £35 costs and a caution for assault.
Is SVM the new WVM?
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
Good result.
decca234uk
New Member
- Location
- Leeds
Well done for having the courage and persistence to see this through. Most people would have just let this pass. I'm definetly going to get a cam for my helmet; at last cyclists have got something to fight back with. Thanks to you this guy will have to think twice about how he behaves towards cyclists.
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
Good result.
But that tw@t would have been put on his @rse in quick time had he tried that with me. I am all for conflict avoidance, but he attacked the OP, and IMO deserved to get the tables turned on him.
But that tw@t would have been put on his @rse in quick time had he tried that with me. I am all for conflict avoidance, but he attacked the OP, and IMO deserved to get the tables turned on him.
400bhp
Guru
See your other thread - perhaps not so easy when you have a bicycle between your legs.
Good result Ben.
Just to add my 0.02 euros to the assault charge, it's very disappointing that it didn't stick. Without getting into trouble by giving away too much, I was a juror on an offensive weapons case a few years ago. The prosecution's case was based solely on some CCTV footage and, on first viewing, I and most of the other jurors thought bang-to-rights. The excellent judge then explained the boundaries that the law required us to apply to our interpretation of the footage. He also explained the reasons for these boundaries in lay terms. In short, the scope for inference and speculation in particular are much less than you'd probably apply when watching Police, Camera, Action for example. Looked at in the terms allowed by law and the lack of other evidence, the CCTV footage in the case was inconclusive.
I guess you didn't get the same hand-holding from a magistrate, but I'm assuming that tw@tface got the benefit of the doubt because your footage didn't catch any punch. The lack of independent witnesses and a plausible alternative explanation (your camera jiggled because you lost you balance perhaps?), he or she probably felt there wasn't enough to convict. Not fair, but probably 'correct'.
The careless/dangerous driving thing is a joke though.
Just to add my 0.02 euros to the assault charge, it's very disappointing that it didn't stick. Without getting into trouble by giving away too much, I was a juror on an offensive weapons case a few years ago. The prosecution's case was based solely on some CCTV footage and, on first viewing, I and most of the other jurors thought bang-to-rights. The excellent judge then explained the boundaries that the law required us to apply to our interpretation of the footage. He also explained the reasons for these boundaries in lay terms. In short, the scope for inference and speculation in particular are much less than you'd probably apply when watching Police, Camera, Action for example. Looked at in the terms allowed by law and the lack of other evidence, the CCTV footage in the case was inconclusive.
I guess you didn't get the same hand-holding from a magistrate, but I'm assuming that tw@tface got the benefit of the doubt because your footage didn't catch any punch. The lack of independent witnesses and a plausible alternative explanation (your camera jiggled because you lost you balance perhaps?), he or she probably felt there wasn't enough to convict. Not fair, but probably 'correct'.
The careless/dangerous driving thing is a joke though.
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
See your other thread - perhaps not so easy when you have a bicycle between your legs.
I notice in the vid Ben lifts the front wheel to place it between him and the attacker....good move.
OP
OP
benborp
Guru
- Location
- further from Penge
I notice in the vid Ben lifts the front wheel to place it between him and the attacker....good move.
That's something I meant to stress earlier on. Being astride the bike, or holding it useless by your side is a liability when a confrontation starts (especially, as others have already mentioned, when you're wearing carbon soled, cleated shoes). The moment I raised the bike between him and me, his attitude changed completely. He was far less certain of what was going on and started backing away. That would be my top tip, that and not walking blind round the corner of a van straight into a punch.
On the usefulness of martial arts training; possessing the knowledge of how to disable an attacker makes it far easier to 'talk them down'. People (particularly bullies) find it unsettling when you don't respond how they expect. The fact that you are assessing their weakspots rather than behaving like their prey can stop things before they even get started. I've persuaded much larger people than me that were intent on teaching me a lesson to get back in their car.
Good work Benborp. Indeed I, having been a headcam-sceptic for all this time, am now maybe convinced they are worth it! I bought a cheapo one (ATC2K) on an impulse, some time ago, but it delivers rather poor quality and I've hardly ever used it. I think it might not be up to this sort of thing!
Interesting how one of the 'commenters' thinks you were filming from a handheld mobile. Have they really taken the trouble to seek out videos such as yours to post abuse on, yet appear to have no knowledge of work such as Magnatom's and Gaz's which has been posted up for years?
Interesting how one of the 'commenters' thinks you were filming from a handheld mobile. Have they really taken the trouble to seek out videos such as yours to post abuse on, yet appear to have no knowledge of work such as Magnatom's and Gaz's which has been posted up for years?
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
I've had several people think i'm cycling with a JVC tape driven handheld camcorder whilst cycling.
CopperBrompton
Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
- Location
- London
Johnny Fox
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Stoke on Trent
Cycling into work a couple of months ago (approx 05:30am) going straight across a roundabout I was cut up by a Rover 400 car.
The driver, came onto the roundabout from the left and was looking straight at me as he approached.
Near miss but by breaking hard I managed to avoid the car.
The Rover kept on down the road I was travelling on to the next roundabout, the road was on a slight downhill so I regained a reasonable speed.
At the next roundabout the Rover slowed and went all the way round at a very slow speed, I kept left in the cycle lane and he came up behind me, overtook and braked hard.
After he had stopped he got out of the car and started shouting abuse towards me. I was some 10 feet away from him so did not feel that threatened.
Suddenly a police car stopped behind me, the policeman came over and asked if we had been involved in an accident, I told him the gist of what had gone on and he went over to talk to the driver.
Next minute the driver is being walked to the back of the police car, breathalysed and arrested.
Went to court, prosecuted for Drink driving, dangerous driving, no insurance, no MOT and no tax…….
Driver, in court said he did not see me at the first roundabout (I had lights on and reflective jacket) he then said that I chased him down the road (I am 50 years old and 14 ½ stone so could not have chased a car if I wanted to) in a threatening manner therefore intimidating him which is why he stopped me to sort out the problem. Solicitor raised the question if he did not see me why did he feel I was chasing him.
Found guilty on all counts and will not be driving for the foreseeable future…..
Another moron off the road!
Also shows that the police will protect the cyclist from these drivers.
The driver, came onto the roundabout from the left and was looking straight at me as he approached.
Near miss but by breaking hard I managed to avoid the car.
The Rover kept on down the road I was travelling on to the next roundabout, the road was on a slight downhill so I regained a reasonable speed.
At the next roundabout the Rover slowed and went all the way round at a very slow speed, I kept left in the cycle lane and he came up behind me, overtook and braked hard.
After he had stopped he got out of the car and started shouting abuse towards me. I was some 10 feet away from him so did not feel that threatened.
Suddenly a police car stopped behind me, the policeman came over and asked if we had been involved in an accident, I told him the gist of what had gone on and he went over to talk to the driver.
Next minute the driver is being walked to the back of the police car, breathalysed and arrested.
Went to court, prosecuted for Drink driving, dangerous driving, no insurance, no MOT and no tax…….
Driver, in court said he did not see me at the first roundabout (I had lights on and reflective jacket) he then said that I chased him down the road (I am 50 years old and 14 ½ stone so could not have chased a car if I wanted to) in a threatening manner therefore intimidating him which is why he stopped me to sort out the problem. Solicitor raised the question if he did not see me why did he feel I was chasing him.
Found guilty on all counts and will not be driving for the foreseeable future…..
Another moron off the road!
Also shows that the police will protect the cyclist from these drivers.
theFire
Veteran
- Location
- Chessington
Always good to hear!
