Coronavirus outbreak

[deptfordmarmoset]

The prime places I get exposed to others indoors are the supermarkets. I suspect this may the case for many others who don't have young children, who will have daily playground and school gates exposure. So, I've been running around buying stuff for a festival I dread and, in doing so, have increased the chances of becoming infected and spreading infection. All for nothing, bar the wasted money and the food I cannot eat. I wonder how many people have been similarly increasing their infection risk all for nothing.

 

[marinyork]

Any idea what?

That it's 'up to 70%' more spreadable, that it may not be that high, but that with a high level of confidence it's substantially more spreadable than the EU1 strain.

There may be some stuff about how much spreadable it is in 12-18 year olds, age groups in their 20s and 30s. This makes sense without getting into games about blaming particular age groups.

 

[fossyant]

With all the dithering, people are thinking fark it. A friend is travelling to her sons, from Manchester to Hull on Boxing Day, then to a friend in Lincoln in the evening to stay overnight. Lots of folk fled London last night on trains.

 

[marinyork]

What's this 'support bubble' for those living alone and feeling isolated and lonely,the idiot Johnson talks about? Is it some kind of official thing we can contact,or does it just mean we are allowed a friend round or similar? 🤔

If you live on your own (you do ), you're allowed to bubble with another household, which means you can have a friend around, or similar. But it must always be the same person. The friend can't bubble with anyone else, the friends' potential housemates cannot bubble with anyone else. This has tended to mean that a lot of bubbles cannot form.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household

There's also Christmas support bubble, but that's only now relevant to the population of England minus those that might bubble up with someone in tier 4 households, and it's only relevant for Christmas Day.

 

[Accy cyclist]

If you live on your own (you do ), you're allowed to bubble with another household, which means you can have a friend around, or similar. But it must always be the same person. The friend can't bubble with anyone else, the friends' potential housemates cannot bubble with anyone else. This has tended to mean that a lot of bubbles cannot form.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household

There's also Christmas support bubble, but that's only now relevant to the population of England minus those that might bubble up with someone in tier 4 households, and it's only relevant for Christmas Day.

Thanks for that!👍 So my ex missus and daughter can't come round to see me? They didn't need an excuse before,but if they now have one no way will they come round!

 

[Tripster]

Thanks for that!👍 So my ex missus and daughter can't come round to see me? They didn't need an excuse before,but if they now have one no way will they come round!

I’m guessing most would not want an ex round for Christmas so win win

 

[Accy cyclist]

I’m guessing most would not want an ex round for Christmas so win win

I try and stay on friendly terms with her. It's a bit like a prison visit. Half an hour of small talk then that's it till next year.

 

[Tripster]

The prime places I get exposed to others indoors are the supermarkets. I suspect this may the case for many others who don't have young children, who will have daily playground and school gates exposure. So, I've been running around buying stuff for a festival I dread and, in doing so, have increased the chances of becoming infected and spreading infection. All for nothing, bar the wasted money and the food I cannot eat. I wonder how many people have been similarly increasing their infection risk all for nothing.

So they leave it at 5 days relax of rules then and risk huge increase in infection rate and a hard lockdown nation wide.... it’s a no win situation for any government.

 

[Tripster]

I try and stay on friendly terms with her. It's a bit like a prison visit. Half an hour of small talk then that's it till next year.

You can always refuse the visiting order just like a real prison

 

[Accy cyclist]

I'm wondering how much the 'mass exodus' from London yesterday has spread this 'super strain' of the virus to all parts of the country?🤔

 

[marinyork]

Thanks for that!👍 So my ex missus and daughter can't come round to see me? They didn't need an excuse before,but if they now have one no way will they come round!

Use your judgement on who the best person to form a bubble with, if you can of course, which yeah a lot of people cannot.

It's a very mixed bag the bubble business, it's better than no policy, but depending on who you read about/have communications with it can be pretty isolating as some have the experience of everyone else being able to form bubbles but them. There are a lot out there that can form bubbles, but also a lot that cannot.

 

[kingrollo]

I'm wondering how much the 'mass exodus' from London yesterday has spread this 'super strain' of the virus to all parts of the country?🤔

Well they were probably people who were planning to leave anyway.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

So they leave it at 5 days relax of rules then and risk huge increase in infection rate and a hard lockdown nation wide.... it’s a no win situation for any government.

No, they make decisions earlier. We have a dither, delay and deny cycle here. If we had reduced the dithering and delaying, and got to the deny stage earlier, fewer of us would have been out increasing infection risk. And sooner or later, the government is going to have to do a U-turn on keeping schools open because that's driving up infection. But, having elevated schooling as a guiding principle and holding to it wrong-headedly - a bit like this year's Exmas - the government is keeping us in another fatal dither and delay stage.

 

[oldwheels]

The prime places I get exposed to others indoors are the supermarkets. I suspect this may the case for many others who don't have young children, who will have daily playground and school gates exposure. So, I've been running around buying stuff for a festival I dread and, in doing so, have increased the chances of becoming infected and spreading infection. All for nothing, bar the wasted money and the food I cannot eat. I wonder how many people have been similarly increasing their infection risk all for nothing.

Anything I cannot eat goes in the freezer so I have very little food waste and any there is goes in the garden compost so it gets recycled.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Well they were probably people who were planning to leave anyway.

What gets me is that yes,maybe they were planning to leave,but by imposing such a strict lockdown the numbers leaving were probably multiplied many times. I thought we had a policy of no leaving and no entering strict lockdown areas? Here in Lancashire we have police stop points on the Lancs/North Yorkshire borders asking where you are going etc etc.🤔