Coronavirus outbreak

[Pale Rider]

He literally called the virus a hoax. How much further from his experts advice is it possible to be?

By enforcing the European travel ban, Trump is following the advice of his experts.

That is a simple matter of fact.

Sniping at Trump - won't alter that.

I see the EU is also terribly upset at not being 'consulted'.

I doubt Trump is too worried, he probably sees it as another benefit.

 

[kingrollo]

So what do you if you think you have it ?

Ring 111 ? - no not anymore !!!!

Check the website for more information !

It also seems the testing will be scaled back (should make the figures look better anyway !!!)

 

[kingrollo]

Speaking as one of the elderly, with other health conditions, I don’t see any contradiction in the statement. The elderly and vulnerable are most at risk, fortunately, the majority are not elderly and/or vulnerable.

Stop panicking

Losing people before there time - to me that means healthy people dying young ?

 

[BoldonLad]

Losing people before there time - to me that means healthy people dying young ?

Well, we are all going to die, sooner or later.

So, as one of the “vulnerable”, I interpret it to mean, instead of dying of any of the former killers of the elderly, I might go as a result of CoronaVirus.

I don’t particularly want it to be sooner, rather than later, but, I see no point in wasting what ever time I may have fretting over something beyond my control.

Just my point of view, you don’t have to agree.

 

[Vapin' Joe]

Losing people before there time - to me that means healthy people dying young ?

"Losing people before their time", in this context means those who would have gone on a bit longer without contracting the virus.

 

[Blue Hills]

I see the EU is also terribly upset at not being 'consulted'.

I doubt Trump is too worried, he probably sees it as another benefit.

Well quite, i think we can probably all agree on that.

Out of interest why do you think he exempted the uk?

Latest reports suggest that we possibly have 10,000 infected.

 

[kingrollo]

Well, we are all going to die, sooner or later.

So, as one of the “vulnerable”, I interpret it to mean, instead of dying of any of the former killers of the elderly, I might go as a result of CoronaVirus.

I don’t particularly want it to be sooner, rather than later, but, I see no point in wasting what ever time I may have fretting over something beyond my control.

Just my point of view, you don’t have to agree.

I do suffer with quite bad anxiety - so I don't find not worrying that easy.

My asthmatic son was so ill with flu a couple of years back . He was coughing up blood and couldn't even drink water at one stage. His health is my worry.

 

[BoldonLad]

"Losing people before their time", in this context means those who would have gone on a bit longer without contracting the virus.

Quite.

 

[PK99]

I will try and make clear what I wrote up-thread. I believe the 'plan' (if there is actually one) is to try to balance the short term health hit with the longer term health and economy hit. If the Government shuts down the whole country then a number of problems arise. The economic damage would be huge, we would be delaying the inevitable as even if we self isolate, sooner or later we have to get out of isolation as I guess 2 weeks would be the maximum we could cope with, when we come out of isolation Bang! infection rates go up. In addition, if we isolate we potentially cause more problems, if the schools close, then Mummy and Daddy who should be at work in the NHS or care homes are now unable to come to work as they are looking after Jnr. If Mummy and Daddy have their parents around then perhaps Jnr goes to Grandma for a while. Grandma is just the person you don't want an infected kid around.

I think the plan is a wait and see approach to try not to have a big peak of cases so the NHS is overwhelmed, but also is not sat around doing nothing. It is simply trying to use the limited resources they have. The bonus is that economically that works best too.

However, I think that we are possibly beyond that control stage as the government needs to be able to predict and model weeks into the future and I guess their models are at the point of trying to put the brakes on the spread. Sooner rather than later we batten down the hatches.

Thanks for that clarification of you view.

Put differently:

Plot Daily Cases Vs time.

The area under the curve is the total number of cases and is likely to be the same whatever strategy is adopted. ie the 50-80% projection.

Those sorts of numbers are best spread over a longer time period than happening in one burst.

How that spread is managed is difficult.

 

[PK99]

I do suffer with quite bad anxiety - so I don't find not worrying that easy.

My asthmatic son was so ill with flu a couple of years back . He was coughing up blood and couldn't even drink water at one stage. His health is my worry.

You anxiety is perfectly understandable, but some of your speculation appears wild.

 

[BoldonLad]

I do suffer with quite bad anxiety - so I don't find not worrying that easy.

My asthmatic son was so ill with flu a couple of years back . He was coughing up blood and couldn't even drink water at one stage. His health is my worry.

i can sympathisewith that (anxiety), Mrs B suffers from it, not easy to deal with.

Also your son’s condition, youngest grandchild (with Downs Syndrome), has just been hospitalised with chest infection. Being in hospital is never good, but, at this time, in particular, is of concern.

Good luck.

 

[Rocky]

i can sympathisewith that (anxiety), Mrs B suffers from it, not easy to deal with.

Also your son’s condition, youngest grandchild (with Downs Syndrome), has just been hospitalised with chest infection. Being in hospital is never good, but, at this time, in particular, is of concern.

Good luck.

I do hope your grandchild gets better soon. It must be a difficult time for you all.

 

[Pale Rider]

That's not a fact. You just made it up.

Made it up did I?

Try reading this quote about two of America's 'top experts':

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the widely-respected director the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield, appeared before the House Oversight Committee for a second day of questioning Thursday and backed President Trump's travel ban from much of Europe.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gov...auci-backs-trump-travel-ban/story?id=69557417

 

[PK99]

I don't think anyone is saying hand washing is pointless - the questions are:-

1.) How effective is handwashing against the spread of covid 19

2 .) Is the major method of transmission via the virus settling on hard surfaces or airborne droplets ???? - if it's the latter then handwashing will only have a limited impact.

1. Partially
2. Yes

ie they dealy and spread the peak

 

[PK99]

So we have gone from
"For most people this is a mild illness"
To
"Many more people are going to lose loved ones before there time"

Those are not contradictory statements.