Coronavirus outbreak

Ajax Bay

Guru
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The vitamin D leitmotif was not aimed at you @classic33 , but still think it's a good idea, when the sun doesn't shine and for those who don't get out, and if not contraindicated (very rare). Still not sure what the question is to which a fact check link from August is "the answer" - see your comment.
The whole ivermectin thing was, again, long ago and his point is/was: no proper trials (RCT) were being done on it, despite suggestions that the safe, widely available and cheap drug may have benefit (like viagra for example). The primary thrust was: there should be a proper study/trial - steel yourself and read this biznews article (which is NOT saying that ivermectin has any beneficial effect). There is an Oxford Uni study (PRINCIPLE) which added ivermectin (the seventh drug) into its trial in mid 2021 (results still awaited for ivermectin: most trialled drugs shown not effective, one (budesonide) has merit).
I'll be guessing you have watched very few of these videos, @roubaixtuesday and are going on secondary material. Head over to the helmet thread for more on stuff people do for unproven benefit.
Of the excess deaths (15+%) only a third of those have a primary or secondary cause of COVID-19. When you have additional deaths twice as many as from/partly from COVID-19, they need demonstrable and public scrutiny (and 'no' I don't have any more suggestions).
For @mjr this is not a blame game: the excess deaths are persisting. I suggested possible reasons and you've contributed another (the ambulance > A&E > admission > care non-availability logjam, NB sustained increase in funding of the NHS above inflation for years). @PK99 has suggested another.
 
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roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
The whole ivermectin thing was, again, long ago

No. Earlier this year.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
For @mjr this is not a blame game: the excess deaths are persisting. I suggested possible reasons and you've contributed another (the ambulance > A&E > admission > care non-availability logjam, NB sustained increase in funding of the NHS above inflation for years). @PK99 has suggested another.
It was very jarring that you only mentioned patient errors, though.

Also, "sustained increase in funding of the NHS above inflation for years" depends how you count it (there were a couple of slightly-below-inflation increases — aka slight real-terms falls — per-capita in the 2010s according to the Nuffield Trust). It also ignores the bigger problem that healthcare need doesn't depend that much on inflation, although the current high-inflation period and its consequences for heating, eating and medication buying choices seem likely to cause more need in the medium term. Healthcare need depends more on things like policy decisions that help or harm public health, where governments of all colours for at least 25 years have pretty much failed to deliver their well-meaning policies through things like transport (cycling!) and development planning.

How much funding is needed probably also depends whether the NHS is playing "catch up" after coping with a pandemic. I wasn't confident that the 2.5% real-terms increase announced before the recent government crisis was going to be enough to catch up and I don't think last week's announcement increased it enough. The NHS Confederation implies that the NHS is getting just £3.3bn more which won't fill a £6bn funding gap... and I think that's just to keep pace, including the slow elective recovery plan. Is there an estimate of how much recovering the NHS to a pre-covid position would cost?
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Here's where England is with RSV this autumn (data from Week 45 of 52), compared with previous years (NB 18-19 was worst and significant spike in deaths from/with flu occuring either side of New Year (assume flu caught in December). (OHID)
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"Influenza positivity remained stable at 6.9% in week 45; SARS-CoV-2 positivity decreased to 4.2%. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) positivity increased to 9.2% in week 45. Adenovirus positivity increased to 3.3%. Rhinovirus positivity decreased to 14.0%. Parainfluenza positivity remained low at 1.8%, while human metapneumovirus (hMPV) positivity remained low at 1.7% in week 45." (edited from UKHSA)
 

gavgav

Guru
From the very outset of this thread anyone that dares speak against the vaccine is automatically branded as a conspiracy theorist or a troll. Quite amusing really.

People are perfectly entitled to be against a vaccine, that’s their choice, what they’re not entitled to do is pedal complete lies and fabrications to try and justify it
 

markemark

Senior Member
People are perfectly entitled to be against a vaccine, that’s their choice, what they’re not entitled to do is pedal complete lies and fabrications to try and justify it

And they fact that the whole situation is labelled as ‘amusing’ says quite a bit.
 
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