Coronavirus outbreak

[roubaixtuesday]

Presser put back till 6.30.

I reckon they need the time to dream up a new three word slogan.

"Procrastinate. Infect. Impoverish." ?

 

[stowie]

If I thought lockdown will work I would be all for it. But it wont, it didn't the first time.

Lockdown worked the first time around. We avoided NHS overload by a whisker.

Whilst ever they allow people to leave their homes at all, and allow any travel between countries then it doesn't matter how low the r number drops it will always increase the minute the restrictions are lifted.

Travel between countries is only important when the numbers of domestic infected are so low that it isn't circulating due to domestic transmission. Otherwise domestic transmission vastly outweighs transmission from outside the country.

As I said in March the only solution would be to go into a situation where everyone is forced to remain in their own house for a month with no exit, nurses and hospital staff to remain onsite, the army or police to deliver food to households in hazmat suits, it would have to be worldwide. We are going to have to accept covid is here, there will probably be no miracle vaccine or cure, in the same vein as the flu as no REAL vaccine or cure.

Lots of diseases caused by virus have been very well managed by vaccination.

Yes I know that is comparing it to flu which will upset the covidista but it's odd that flu deaths are way down this year...

Flu was down this year (so far) because lockdown doesn't just restrict infection of COVID. Other diseases spread by similar transmission would, of course, be damped by the same measures.

ts nature something will always come along and cull populations, hate to say it but modern medicine does too good a job at keeping people who have reached the end of their natural lives, alive, and then we get upset when nature comes along with a new way of thwarting the effort.

We could just put the old and the frail on a mountainside during a cold spell to let nature take its course. But I hope we have moved on from just letting nature take its course.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That's funny, I didn't think it was working against covid!

You're wrong.

R without measures is ~3.5

With current measures ~1.4

 

[tom73]

Presser put back till 6.30.

I reckon they need the time to dream up a new three word slogan.

"Procrastinate. Infect. Impoverish." ?

Or leave it long enough for the BBC to tell you anyway they've already given some of the game away.

 

[DCLane]

The first time they did this in March it was ignored locally.
The locals have ignored restrictions introduced in August and Tier 2 last week.
What difference will having another of these make?

imo none.

There's been the odd fine but without any effective enforcement the lack of confidence will continue.

And I'm even more annoyed that government policy announcement seem to be leaking them via the press and then an official announcement 12-36 hours later.

 

[tom73]

Right so word is they don't like it being called lockdown or tier 4. The front runner is "tough new national measures" with "exit back to regional tiers". Well that's catchy think they may need a wider podium. Maybe that's way is late Borris is botching one up. He's botched everything else.

 

[tom73]

Peston looks to have given the whole game away with a whole thread of what's coming.

View: https://twitter.com/peston/status/1322562692771696640?s=21

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Just hope the delay isn't due to horse-trading in the cabinet meeting leading to measures being watered down.

 

[Pale Rider]

Peston looks to have given the whole game away with a whole thread of what's coming.

View: https://twitter.com/peston/status/1322562692771696640?s=21

Most of it was on the telly last night and in this morning's newspapers.

Seems to me all the lobby correspondents got roughly the same stuff yesterday evening.

 

[oldfatfool]

Lockdown worked the first time around. We avoided NHS overload by a whisker.

Depends which nurses you listen to. Imo there is a massive case to say NHS managers a seeing this as a great way to ask for an increased budget next year.

And that's before you take into account that unless you have a cough your not welcome by the NHS. As far as I am concerned the nhs should be scrapped.

 

[Blue Hills]

BBC surely has a ripe sense of humour.
As a second general lockdown appears to be looming they have just interviewed at some length Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College whose research and urgings produced a first lockdown which he then broke by popping round to his lover.
Behind him was what looked very much like Imperial College London, Exhibition Road, but the caption said his talking head and torso in the middle of the screen was coming from Oxford.
Coming up next as the beeb fills time, Dominic Cummings in a frock will deputise for/push aside the queen to give us a few words on our public duty?

 

[Pale Rider]

Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College whose research and urgings produced a first lockdown which he then broke by popping round to his lover.

Now forever known as the Bonkin' Boffin - thanks to those good folks at The Sun.

 

[Blue Hills]

Now forever known as the Bonkin' Boffin - thanks to those good folks at The Sun.

he looked slightly on edge to me - maybe he was wondering if he'd be asked if he had a favoured squeeze in Oxford - and congratulated on his improvised backdrop of central London. *

(* the bbc's doing I suppose, but god knows why - one only wonders what they had pixellated out of his real surroundings - some red velvet orgy deep within an oxford college?)

 

[Ming the Merciless]

BBC surely has a ripe sense of humour.
As a second general lockdown appears to be looming they have just interviewed at some length Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial College whose research and urgings produced a first lockdown which he then broke by popping round to his lover.
Behind him was what looked very much like Imperial College London, Exhibition Road, but the caption said his talking head and torso in the middle of the screen was coming from Oxford.
Coming up next as the beeb fills time, Dominic Cummings in a frock will deputise for/push aside the queen to give us a few words on our public duty?

Zoom background?

 

[Salty seadog]

We and the people we know in the real world have no difficulty understanding the rules as they apply to us.

In all the online/newspaper quizzes I score 100% - in one yesterday I scored only 7/10 - failing on questions about granny looking after kids (we do no have grandkids), student visiting parents (long past that stage), and large family groups - we do not have an extended family. All the questions about what I can do here and travelling between tiers were correct.

With regard to enforceable, my two daughters in Vancouver report that shops and people in general take more precautions than mandated.

Enforcement should not be an issue.

Legend....