Coronavirus outbreak

[DaveReading]

Don't think any uni ran the "come to use and catch a high infectious , unpredictable deadly disease" advertising campaign.

No, I don't remember that campaign either.

And I also seem to have missed the "come to uni, behave irresponsibly and thereby increase your chances of catching/passing on the virus" campaign. But by all accounts, at least some students seem to be doing their best to make that so.

 

[stowie]

The problem with cyclechat is that the last ten years there are a lot of extremely high paid people in jobs who are worshipped as Gods and they think that in the rest of their lives, family, friends and random strangers on cyclechat should treat them the same with the same awe and reverence as they get in their day jobs. They also think they can throw their weight around. I'm not going to treat him as a God if he's being deliberately patronising. I did politely try to explain 3x one of the points and each time it was ignored and deliberately misrepresented with a ah yes, but I'm really fecking clever as I'm in a senior high tech job and I'm going to assume you know nothing.

Knobbery and knavery.

I dip in and out of CC when I have a bit of a coffee break during the day (or typically waiting for something to download). I miss posts, and forget others. I noted your reference to lookup tables, but was a bit confused over it, so looked at the API docs to see more details and couldn't find it. So I am probably missing something here.

I asked if you can link to the Lovett information which you referenced as I am genuinely interested in how accuracy is achieved using Bluetooth and have some background which means I could probably grasp at least some of the basics.

I like CC because people tend to be polite. If my writing style comes off as patronising it isn't intended that way. I have found personal attacks to be really rare on CC and really try not to do it intentionally or otherwise.

Anyway, my initial post simply was intended to express surprise that bluetooth could provide the type of accuracy detailed in the bbc report which had a diagram of the zones. I am curious how this might work.

As for being treated like a God at my work. If only it was true..!

 

[mjr]

Tell me about it remind me how long did the clowns in the big top get for summer jollies ? All that work and effect all that loss of life and for what ?

Which reminds me that there's a circus in Wisbech. No, I don't know how that's possible either: enclosed space and lots of shouting even if with more space between groups in the audience.

 

[stowie]

Which reminds me that there's a circus in Wisbech. No, I don't know how that's possible either: enclosed space and lots of shouting even if with more space between groups in the audience.

I went to a circus a couple month or so ago. Careful seating arrangements and no audience participation aside from clapping, none of the acts interacted with the audience at close range and their performance area was well set back. Not sure if this was hugely safe in terms of virus transmission but they had changed their acts to minimise risk. It did feel quite strange.

They said at the end of the performance that every member of the circus, from all around the world, had isolated together so they could perform again as soon as possible at least risk to the public. They clearly are having a tough time during COVID.

 

[tom73]

On the subject of how safe situations are and now we have growing number of cases.
It's worth giving this another shout out within hours it become the most requested article the BMJ has ever had.
Two metres or one: what is the evidence for physical distancing in covid-19?
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
Has a simple to understand table of situations and risk inc effect of ventilation.
Print it off and stick on the fridge it's been translated into most languages even a colour blind vision. If you need one just ask.

 

[Adam4868]

Sorry but this latest ad just about sums the governments response up...lol

 

[tom73]

Trinity College has threaten to evict students from halls if they get a covid outbreak.
That's going to fix it and help keep everyone safe.
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...-evict-students-if-a-covid-19-outbreak-occurs

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

Maybe it would be better just to let all the fit and healthy students get Covid and be done with......sort of mini herd immunity, then when it comes to end of term they will be safe to visit home knowing they have had it. Even then, it’s still not obvious how long immunity lasts for

Replace the word "students" with "general population" and the pandemic will be over and done with a hell of a lot sooner. Some people just seem to want to drag it out for as long as possible. The control freaks just need to take a reality pill and accept that trying to prevent infectious diseases spreading in non-totalitarian societies is as futile as herding cats. This virus isn't going to stop until it's transmission medium gradually becomes too inefficient to sustain it, and that is only going to happen with widespread post-infection immunity.

 

[mjr]

Sorry but this latest ad just about sums the governments response up...lol
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When is 20pm?

 

[mjr]

and that is only going to happen with widespread post-infection immunity.

Or there could be a vaccine. Or a less deadly mutation of the virus which out competes the current one. Or...

In short, we don't know how this will end. Anyone saying there is "only" a particular outcome is claiming to see the future.

 

[tom73]

A deliberate “population immunity” strategy before a vaccine: Why it wouldn’t work and why it shouldn’t be tried
https://www.independentsage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/population_immunity_FINALb.pdf

 

[classic33]

Replace the word "students" with "general population" and the pandemic will be over and done with a hell of a lot sooner. Some people just seem to want to drag it out for as long as possible. The control freaks just need to take a reality pill and accept that trying to prevent infectious diseases spreading in non-totalitarian societies is as futile as herding cats. This virus isn't going to stop until it's transmission medium gradually becomes too inefficient to sustain it, and that is only going to happen with widespread post-infection immunity.

There's no proof that catching it once, herd immunity, would give any protection let alone how long for, if caught. No proof either that if caught once, you'd not catch it again.

If, and that's a big if, how will widespread immunity ever be guaranteed? How do you intend to offer that guarantee.

If folk believe that having caught it once makes them immune to further infection, there's a high chance they'll just go back to the way they were doing things before they caught it. Quite possibly spreading it amongst those who can't afford to chance catching it.

Basic personal hygiene has gone out the window. Bring that back under control first, and we're in with some chance.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

You're on to a loser here, just accept it. People don't like lockdowns or other enforced disruptions to their routines. They'll tolerate it to an extent for a short period, so long as there's a clear end date. What they won't do is accept an open-ended and ever-changing regime of government interference in their lives. The first lockdown went on far too long and people had had enough of it. A large percentage of them are not now going to co-operate or play ball in any meaningful way with any further measures. They've had enough and they're just going to give the politicians and the "experts" the middle finger.
@marinyork at least seems to "get it" as regards public behaviour, even if he might not agree with the things they do or don't do. A lot of you just have the attitude that because you're happy to believe in and lap up whatever crap the government serves up, that we should all do the same. Well, that just ain't happening I can assure you of that!

 

[classic33]

You're on to a loser here, just accept it. People don't like lockdowns or other enforced disruptions to their routines. They'll tolerate it to an extent for a short period, so long as there's a clear end date. What they won't do is accept an open-ended and ever-changing regime of government interference in their lives. The first lockdown went on far too long and people had had enough of it. A large percentage of them are not now going to co-operate or play ball in any meaningful way with any further measures. They've had enough and they're just going to give the politicians and the "experts" the middle finger.
@marinyork at least seems to "get it" as regards public behaviour, even if he might not agree with the things they do or don't do. A lot of you just have the attitude that because you're happy to believe in and lap up whatever crap the government serves up, that we should all do the same. Well, that just ain't happening I can assure you of that!

Enforced disruptions to a routine!
I've two new ones that have completely disrupted my routine, and I know I'm not alone with either.

You don't know my beliefs on the current situation, don't assume you do. I'm just waiting for some sort of "normal" to return, to allow for my now normal routine to get going again. I'm looking at long-term health treatment getting started again. Selfish I know, but there's thousands more like me.

Is that too much to expect in this day and age?

 

[tom73]

There's no proof that catching it once, herd immunity, would give any protection let alone how long for, if caught. No proof either that if caught once, you'd not catch it again.

If, and that's a big if, how will widespread immunity ever be guaranteed? How do you intend to offer that guarantee.

If folk believe that having caught it once makes them immune to further infection, there's a high chance they'll just go back to the way they were doing things before they caught it. Quite possibly spreading it amongst those who can't afford to chance catching it.

Basic personal hygiene has gone out the window. Bring that back under control first, and we're in with some chance.

If they really believe either this is just like flu, it only kills the old or once you get it you're fine. They can always try it and sign up for the vaccine trail. Once challenger trails start they have to give you Covid 1st. Guess the idea of helping mankind would be too much to take.