matticus
Guru
Horses for courses.You have my sympathies
my second was done at a racecourse!
COVID Vaccine !
- Thread starter kingrollo
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Andy in Germany
Guru
- Location
- Freiburg im Breisgau
How was the going?
I hope no-one was incense-d as the use of a cathedral ...
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Vaccinating under 18s
If JCVI come out to say no recommendation either way, we do seem to have an odd approach to risk here. We won't vaccinate children because the reward to them individually is small and it would involve a small but non-zero risk of some suffering adverse reactions to the vaccine. Yet we need them to develop immunity to contribute to wider UK herd immunity - unstated by government for obvious reasons - so we let them catch and likely spread COVID-19 instead of accessing a vaccine that is safer. I guess it's more politically and morally (?) palatable for the virus to kill/long covid say 20 children for the greater good than the vaccine programme to maybe kill/maim 1 to the same end (20:1 made up; I very much doubt there is data).
However though this seems bonkers it probably does make some sense due to the risk of fueling wider vaccine hesitancy through the creation of a few highly emotive stories of tragedy.
Perhaps by the time we get there (to having available supply for under 18s) there will be sufficient data from under 18 vaccinations in the USA to quantify the risk.
18 year old son received his jab yesterday (Pfizer).
If JCVI come out to say no recommendation either way, we do seem to have an odd approach to risk here. We won't vaccinate children because the reward to them individually is small and it would involve a small but non-zero risk of some suffering adverse reactions to the vaccine. Yet we need them to develop immunity to contribute to wider UK herd immunity - unstated by government for obvious reasons - so we let them catch and likely spread COVID-19 instead of accessing a vaccine that is safer. I guess it's more politically and morally (?) palatable for the virus to kill/long covid say 20 children for the greater good than the vaccine programme to maybe kill/maim 1 to the same end (20:1 made up; I very much doubt there is data).
However though this seems bonkers it probably does make some sense due to the risk of fueling wider vaccine hesitancy through the creation of a few highly emotive stories of tragedy.
Perhaps by the time we get there (to having available supply for under 18s) there will be sufficient data from under 18 vaccinations in the USA to quantify the risk.
18 year old son received his jab yesterday (Pfizer).
Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair JCVI said last week that whilst there is a benefit to vaccinating under 18s, this is not for their benefit but, like flu, for the benefit of their parents, grandparents etc who they will come into contact with and potentially infect.
The bigger and better solution is to target to get every adult vaccinated with at least once dose, ideally two. This will have a better, more direct impact and will also remove the emotive issue of vaccinating those under 18.
As of last night there hadn’t been a definitive decision on what they will do. My feeling is they will see effect what this weekend’s “Grab A Jab“ work will have on numbers vaccinated With lots of pop up clinics / walk-ins etc.
The bigger and better solution is to target to get every adult vaccinated with at least once dose, ideally two. This will have a better, more direct impact and will also remove the emotive issue of vaccinating those under 18.
As of last night there hadn’t been a definitive decision on what they will do. My feeling is they will see effect what this weekend’s “Grab A Jab“ work will have on numbers vaccinated With lots of pop up clinics / walk-ins etc.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Of course I understand who the prime beneficiaries are if we vaccinate under 18s. Don't think the 'like flu' comparison is valid: in the past, the UK hasn't vaccinated its school age population against flu, has it? Thought it was 60+ (and UHC +) and then any spare for first comers. I think that the teenagers of UK will be influenced/led by their parents; mostly for the good. The argument that those doses are better used for the direct benefit of the aged vulnerable around the world (say in the Commonwealth) won't go away.
The suggestion that getting every adult vaccinated is a "bigger and better solution" implies that we can't do both, or try to: a fallacy, imo - but maybe you are pointing up the priority. Certainly second doses are more valuable than first ones (first = 33%, second = (81-33)%).
The suggestion that getting every adult vaccinated is a "bigger and better solution" implies that we can't do both, or try to: a fallacy, imo - but maybe you are pointing up the priority. Certainly second doses are more valuable than first ones (first = 33%, second = (81-33)%).
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
This being done in every senior school every year. HPV vaccines, meningitis jabs, seasonal flu etc, the process is there, let's use it.
midlife
Guru
Yep, the rationale is that those medical interventions are for the child.... Covid vaccine is for the benefit of the population and not the individual child.
I paid hundreds and hundreds of pounds to get my boys vaccinated with Gardacil as the government decided it wasn't worth it going by the stats
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
There may not be much benefit medically, but surely not having to miss school and self isolate every time a classmate tests positive is a huge benefit to vaccinating under 18s.
We currently have 2 cases in year 9 (one definitely caught from the other) and 2 in year 10. Half of each year group are at home self isolating.
We currently have 2 cases in year 9 (one definitely caught from the other) and 2 in year 10. Half of each year group are at home self isolating.
classic33
Leg End Member
Not according to NHSvaccine", who insist that I "require at least two doses to be fully protected against the virus".
they are factually correct in that the 2nd dose provides an increase in immunity but one is still better than none!
I’m not clear on why you’ve quoted that response from me as I’m missing the link to your reply?
